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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1197451)
My bet is closer to 350-400 will apply.
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1197451)
My bet is closer to 350-400 will apply.
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1197497)
You are comfortable with they way DCI aircraft are getting bigger and bigger. The company is getting rid of RJs that they dont need, yet you are OK with these BIG 76 seat aircraft going to DCI? We are getting close to the 100 seat mark, arent we? Dangerous move. We could be a 7000 pilot work force soon. Just like RA wanted NWA to be at 4900 pilots from 6500 pilots, he also wants Delta to be much much smaller.
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1197495)
How do you know. Did we ever try?
TEN |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1197448)
wow. There is none so blind as those that choose not to see.
Can't the same thing be said about you? Everything is always in the eye of the beholder. I bet some think you are blind, too. |
Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 1197508)
It was a priority in the results of the contract survey. Can't show it to you for a variety of reasons, but you'll just have to trust me.
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Originally Posted by Cogf16
(Post 1197492)
In a perfect world I would love to see NO more big RJ's. However, they will park +/- 200 50 seaters soon. Those DELTA paxs need an airplane to fly in. That airplane will be a 70/76 seater or a ML 717/319 etc. Stinks that we couldn't get Delta pilots in those new RJ's but 88 new ML jets is a good thing. At the end of the day, DCI shrinks and ML grows, contractually. I think it would cost way too much negotiating capital to get us in the 76 seaters.
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What I am trying to figure out is this:
With these ratios with DCI, do our block hrs stay relatively constant and DCI's shrink giving us a better ratio in the first half of the deal, then as we transition to the second half of the deal, basically give us 1:1 on the true growth 717's to 76 seaters. The ratio will be better because DCI's block shrinks but the overall ratio of mainline growth to 76 seaters on a block hr to block hr basis is even? If I am wrong show me your work. I am trying to work the math on this and this is what seems to be the case. I cannot see the 717's as a true growth jet even while including the parking of the 9's. DCI gets hit, but I do not see a guarantee of growth in this ratio. What I see is a plan not to shrink. Slow? Alfa? |
Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 1197515)
I don't think anyone is advocating getting the 76 seat flying back. Is what we are trying to prevent however, is giving away any more mainline flying to be outsourced (70 more 76 seat RJ's).
What's your plan for JV protection? Not being a smarta## at all. I really want to know. I ask to illustrate the "total picture" way of looking at this. OVERALL DCI block hours will significantly shift to mainline PLUS we pick up JV protection and a few other "must haves". I don't like swallowing a turd any more than the next guy, but I'm trying to see the whole picture. It might be the least worst. Voting No does not guarantee a better result. |
Originally Posted by Rogue24
(Post 1197519)
What I am trying to figure out is this:
With these ratios with DCI, do our block hrs stay relatively constant and DCI's shrink giving us a better ratio in the first half of the deal, then as we transition to the second half of the deal, basically give us 1:1 on the true growth 717's to 76 seaters. The ratio will be better because DCI's block shrinks but the overall ratio of mainline growth to 76 seaters on a block hr to block hr basis is even? If I am wrong show me your work. I am trying to work the math on this and this is what seems to be the case. I cannot see the 717's as a true growth jet even while including the parking of the 9's. DCI gets hit, but I do not see a guarantee of growth in this ratio. What I see is a plan not to shrink. Slow? Alfa? The ratios are more to protect us in the future from mainline shrinking while DCI grows, like happened in the past. We can't force management into growth, but we can (through the ratio AND the JV language) force them to use us if they do. Hope that helps. Check out the ratio table in Section 1.D (I think) that shows the math. |
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1197514)
Im sorry, I dont because the numbers were derived from parties that favor this outsourcing. Numbers can be twisted and manipulated to give you a desired outcome. I know this.
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