It's just business Carl. The company would like us to be involved because it makes the path easier to achieve what they want to do. But, they aren't married to any particular plan of attack. If we want to be involved in their plans, I am sure they are good with that. If not.. I am sure they can deal with that too. They know where we are in the scheme of things. The only thing we could possibly do to run the train into the weeds would be to quit en masse. I am pretty sure that isn't going to happen in MY lifetime.. I am good with what happens either way on the TA. I think it will be a shame if it is turned down, because I see where this is going. I understand your cynicism, and I appreciate it.. I really do. I choose to believe that management has moved on since the old confrontational NWA days. I really wish you would too. Until management gives me reason to believe otherwise, I will give them benefit of the doubt (with safeguards in place.. I'm not stupid..) and watch as we kick ass in this industry. Look around and see where EVERYBODY else is.. SWA included..

I swore I was done on these boards.. and you drug me back in yet again.

Vegas has the over/under at 75. I'll take under... waaaaaaay under.

Based on what SWA is telling their guys, and the slow rate that the jets start coming our way I'd say it's extremely unlikely that any Air Tran guys come with, but I would like to see that in writing.

They will get around 100 guys. The same 100 who were planning to go in the next few months anyway. We just paid a pile of cash for nothing.

I HOPE we didn't pay anything for it.. cause I'll betcha it will be guys like Carl who have pretty full DB plans waiting for 'em.

I was one who was on the fence and wanted to give DALPA one more chance. This TA is very solid proof that our union does not get it. Here we are once again giving up more mainline jets to DCI. Aren't unions supposed to protect jobs? Even a couple of months ago, the attitude was "we'll get em next time" well folks, next time is here right now and we are still giving mainline jobs away.

Just sent in the DPA card today. The unknown risk that comes with a new union is far better than the known risk of DALPA.

This TA will be passed or failed and probably re taed voted in again prior to anything with a new union. That is good too because we are looking at a few years of chaos as they try to find which way is up.

wow. There is none so blind as those that choose not to see.

I realize that as well. I can live without the $$$, I just hope we don't give away too many mainline jobs with a revised TA.

My bet is closer to 350-400 will apply.