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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1193503)

Slowplay - If it were only so simple. Am I reading this incorrectly?

Section 1 - Scope
1-24
1 a. 50% the following percentage of themonthly passenger seats may be occupied by
2 passengers traveling under the DL code:
3 1) 50% for flights between SEA and either MSP or ATL, and
4 2) 35% for flights in any monthall other city pairs, or
5 b. a monthly average of 86 passenger seats may be occupied by passengers traveling
6 under the DL code per flight segment, if in the month involved this results in a
7 lesser number of passenger seats occupied by such passengers than under
8 Section 1 O. 5. a.

So, not to mention all the exceptions for LAX and SEA - which are still in the TA - we can go to 50% on the above routes and 35% in others.

LAX, SEA, MSP and ATL can basically be 50% or more (LAX/SEA exemptions) with the rest at 35%. Is this much, if any of a restriction? We can basically fill half to 1/3 of Alaska's flights with DAL passengers and be in compliance.

Is this really the kind of tight Scope language we need?

Scoop :confused:

No it is not.
The "comprehensive" solution promised to Section 1 suggested some time of collar and phase-out of the AS relationship.

There is indeed a reduction from 50% to 35% (except the MSP and ATL carveout) but nothing to really address the domestic codeshare to feed a international JV/codeshare problem at LAX. (flying that completely bypasses DAL pilots).

I would have liked to see 1.P.4. Note Two removed because it will now be used to the detriment of Delta pilots in the last year of the three year compliance period to wipe out accrued flying balance deficits on the DAL side of the ledger.

The new "Profit/loss sharing agreement" language is vague enough to permit just about anything with the exception of a 75% collar on revenue production to be flown by Delta pilots. Basically a 37.5% floor for Delta pilots with the other party subject to an implied 62.5% cap.

The RJ agreement is pretty good.
AS is basically untouched with no provision to prevent the feeder from feeding the codeshare and the The AFJV is lacking because of MOU16.

Cheers
George

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1193573)

That's the used car salesman in slowplay coming out...

I would certainly like him to show me where my math is wrong.. but I doubt he can...

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1193566)

Wait, what?? If SWA pilots are getting 216.22 and they contribute 10% to their 401k, they are still getting paid 216.22, their hourly rate does not change. Then you add the additional contribution to the 401k that the company adds, and their total goes to
236.76.

If we are making 216.92, and we get 15% added to the DC, that would be that 249.46 that you mentioned.

If you are going to consider 401k pay as total compensation,for them you have to do it for us too.. so the gap isn't nearly as big as you are trying to sell... almost $13... 3 years from now.

The point is that to get to their maximum retirement contribution, their paycheck hourly rate is significantly lower than ours. Apples to apples and all.

Oh, $13 bucks an hour is over $13,000 per year for the average pilot. No sell, just info.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1193560)

I didn't realize the Delta pilots had a lease obligation to Bombardier:D

Exactly! Delta management, not the Delta pilots, got into the stupid 50 seat RJ mess. It is NOT OUR JOB to help them get out of it.

New DAL Payrates

New TA Delta Payrates:

V1Rotate.com | Facebook :cool:

Feel free to copy images here, I was unable to add them directly.

Hank

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1193578)

I thought it was ALPA DCI only...

It is ALPA DCI only.

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Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1193584)

Exactly! Delta management, not the Delta pilots, got into the stupid 50 seat RJ mess. It is NOT OUR JOB to help them get out of it.

You're right...if we don't help them get out of it they won't be our jobs.

We help them get out of it, we get more block hours of Delta system flying. And we get to make them our jobs.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1193578)

I thought it was ALPA DCI only...

Yep, you're right.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1193582)

No no no... Mine was an apples to apples comparison. You are subtracting monies that they still get, even if it is contributed into a retirement plan. If you want to make the argument more honest, then suppose they leave out their contribution to their 401, and you can subtract SWA's 9.5%contribution... and you might have a bit of a point, but you cannot subtract it out, nor can you add DALS contribution because that is not paycheck money either and call that apples to apples.

Oh, and $13 in 3 years eroded by inflation is pretty pathetic. Hardly decent compensation for what this group has given.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1193588)

You're right...if we don't help them get out of it they won't be our jobs.

We help them get out of it, we get more block hours of Delta system flying. And we get to make them our jobs.

Ill gladly help. But they shouldnt insult us with 4833.

Something stinks with this whole TA (presentation, urgency and language), I dont like it. Fishy at best:confused:

TEN