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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1172692)
Do you guys see the rumor of what's being offered at AA/US Air?
If it's true and it goes through, it looks like their pay will be tied to our pay. 3% better at first, then at least equal for quite some time..... Now, that's imagination. I guess they didn't have any naysayers over there. I'm still looking for a HUGE payraise and this rumor solidifies my thoughts on the subject..... RUMOR from another thread: US Air offer: |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1172704)
I agree, ACL. I think it's great. LCC has ultra-low costs, and low revenue. The combined airline would need a hell of an increase in revenue to offset the increase in costs.
This actually helps our management farme their thinking about a substantial raise. They want to give us industry standard, and we want industry leading? This turns whatever we do into the standard. With two out of three large competitors paying "Delta Plus", United can match. What could possibly go wrong now? |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1172708)
The reality is Parker just opened himself up to asinine costs. RA could literally jack our rates so high that they fail on those costs alone. Dumb move for parker given where DAL is heading and our ability to actually pay and afford that level of raise.
The fact remains that even as a combined carrier, there is a ton of rationalization that needs to occur to make them a successful airline. I often wonder if this is just APA's version of Texas Holdem with Horton. APA now has an out, even though it will be an ugly process. Management wanting to give us massive raises. :D |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1172760)
While I don't see it playing out like that, its still a potentially interesting angle to look at it from.
Management wanting to give us massive raises. :D I hear ya. Just stating what options are available to him. Helps us too! :eek: |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1172708)
The reality is Parker just opened himself up to asinine costs. RA could literally jack our rates so high that they fail on those costs alone. Dumb move for parker given where DAL is heading and our ability to actually pay and afford that level of raise.
The fact remains that even as a combined carrier, there is a ton of rationalization that needs to occur to make them a successful airline. I often wonder if this is just APA's version of Texas Holdem with Horton. APA now has an out, even though it will be an ugly process. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1172755)
What about scope though. Its better to liquidate than to allow the C Series to be outsourced.
That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already. If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1172708)
The reality is Parker just opened himself up to asinine costs. RA could literally jack our rates so high that they fail on those costs alone. Dumb move for parker given where DAL is heading and our ability to actually pay and afford that level of raise.
The fact remains that even as a combined carrier, there is a ton of rationalization that needs to occur to make them a successful airline. I often wonder if this is just APA's version of Texas Holdem with Horton. APA now has an out, even though it will be an ugly process. Also if the term sheet does get out and the details are released, expect the company to want to focus any and all improvements on the "me too" sections of the AMR deal, so that it will put on the greatest amount of burden possible. So we might see a push for direct increase of rates to offset the miserable "training pay" that we get now instead of upping the CD rom pay credit. little/no increase to daily pay, vacation pay staying at 3:00/day(increasing vaca pay by 1:00/day is worth around 0.7% of a yearly rate raise PER WEEK of accured vacation), etc. Just watch for things like that.... Would the AMR deal put a FULL VOTING pilot union member on the new AMR? Would they get 5% equity stake in the new company? Scope proposal could be atrocious.... I think DAL will hold off on a "final offer" until they know the result of Parker's attempt. What a crazy turn of events... |
I wonder how many DCA and LGA slots the new AMR would have to give up b/c of anti-trust concerns.....
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA. Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1172773)
We are at the point where there shouldn't even be any talk of concessions of any kind. (Scope, pay, work rules, retirement, etc.) The possibility of US Airways and American making more than us after doing nothing that even approaches what the employees / pilots of DAL did to make our merger work should squash all talk of losing ground anywhere.
That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already. If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1172786)
I wonder how many DCA and LGA slots the new AMR would have to give up b/c of anti-trust concerns.....
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA. Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld. The DOT, on the otherhand, will just screw the airlines merging. Doesn't matter who the involved parties are. |
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