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redship 04-20-2012 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1172773)
We are at the point where there shouldn't even be any talk of concessions of any kind. (Scope, pay, work rules, retirement, etc.) The possibility of US Airways and American making more than us after doing nothing that even approaches what the employees / pilots of DAL did to make our merger work should squash all talk of losing ground anywhere.

That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already.

If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain.



It's sad to think that this is what it could take for some to realize their own value.

Clear Right 04-20-2012 12:31 PM

SWA/AirTran and JetBlue will gain the most from DCA and LGA slots that will potentially be shed in order to allow the AA/US deal to pass anti-trust concerns.

Bill Lumberg 04-20-2012 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 1172851)
SWA/AirTran and JetBlue will gain the most from DCA and LGA slots that will potentially be shed in order to allow the AA/US deal to pass anti-trust concerns.



If there was a lot of overlap of routes between AA/US out of LGA/DCA, I would say yes. I don't think there is. Maybe a few slots, but not a bunch probably.

newKnow 04-20-2012 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by redship (Post 1172850)
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It's sad to think that this is what it could take for some to realize their own value.

It's even worse to realize what your value is, but be too afraid to even ask for it.

Wingnutdal 04-20-2012 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1172858)
If there was a lot of overlap of routes between AA/US out of LGA/DCA, I would say yes. I don't think there is. Maybe a few slots, but not a bunch probably.

I don't think it's overlap, I think t's the percentage of departures that they will be concerned about. At least it was for the slot swap.

Bill Lumberg 04-20-2012 12:58 PM

From another web board
 
Subject: Notes from APA Meeting

Name stays AA
HQ in DFW
US comes to Oneworld (hurts UAL)
Pay banding
Starting point is current green book.
5.5% raise on date of signing
3% / yrs 2-6, then avg of UAL/DAL
A319 no longer a sep payband
Vac goes to 3+40/day. Better accrual
Hard freeze & 14% DC Plan
PBS. US West pilots love it. Well managed. Lines 83. P/u to 90. Keep current rigs.
Scope committee is "giddy" with what is offered. Parker doesn't understand code share. He wants the revenue. Max Dom code share = 4% of total asm's.
Keeping AA's Boeing/Bus order. Very excited to get 787.
Unsure about AE. Parker wants to see books then decide. Hates 50 seaters. Prob convert most 319 orders to 320/321's.
Med costs will go from 14% to 17% (I think 1113 had it going to 26%.
Not a sure thing, but APA seems quite confident. No timeline given, more than 2 mos, possibly by end of summer. Horton is said to be steaming mad.
Seniority may go to expedited arbitration. Expect percentile in type over any DOH (aka DAL/NWA)
US East guys will get about 25-30% raise out of this.

gloopy 04-20-2012 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Clear Right (Post 1172825)
When the combined American/US Air becomes the dominant/#1 East Coast airline, how long until Delta and AA and SWA go after the respective relevant parts of JetBlue...just sayin??

Fixed your post.

Not to mention AA/US would still be very anemic in JFK even if they fully merged without a single divesture. They would need a significantly larger JFK presence and SWA will need a significantly larger NYC presence going forward. Gate, terminal and slots locked down tight at all the airports in the "real" NYC market and the only way in is to buy or fragment JB. There is no other viable way. Think about it. Very interesting scenarios ahead.

gloopy 04-20-2012 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by redship (Post 1172844)
Agree. Hey, maybe DAL can pick up some DCA slots in the future.

What's next for DAL? AL, HI, or JB (to compete with the new east coast #1)

HI makes a ton of sense. AL makes sense but would be a much larger SLI integration not to mention their insanely bloated stock price due in larg part to Delta gutting its own flying and hiring AS as their west coast regional. But if the price could be worked out, it would make sense as well. JB OTOH makes zero sense.

DL would get all that capacity, risk gutting the DL pilot group with anything close to a relative integration, then pull down a very large part of the capacity they just got with DL pilots taking the vast majority of the brunt of stagnation and/or furloughs and the company being forced to divest what they just overpaid to get.

To any extent DL gets involved with JB would far more likely be in a 2 or 3 way fragmentation because what DL wants and needs is only a small part of JB. Maybe the terminal and about a quarter of their capacity, if that.

capncrunch 04-20-2012 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by redship (Post 1172844)
Agree. Hey, maybe DAL can pick up some DCA slots in the future.

What's next for DAL? AL, HI, or JB (to compete with the new east coast #1)

AK=Alaska, AL=Alabama.

gloopy 04-20-2012 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1172879)
AK=Alaska, AL=Alabama.

War Tide!!!!!

or is it Roll Eagle?


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