I hope they take all of em too. Not just the targeted number.

Me too. And the company has to, so long as they can train their replacements. Here's the pertinent language, from LOA #11:

"The Company will approve participation in the Program based upon the system seniority number of Program eligible pilots who apply for the Program. There is no stated maximum number of pilots who can be approved for participation in the Program, and the Company commits to approving participation at the maximum number possible based upon maintaining operational reliability."

I see just fine thanks. Is what I see is a profession that has slowly allowed the outsourcing of our own jobs to take place. Jobs that were once ours are now outsourced. But wait, it gets better, we are still giving away more jets that most agree should of never been allowed out of the gate in the first place.

You tell me T, how did we get to where we are today? Every thing that we have given away in Scope was approved by DALPA and the pilots. Surely you realize that DALPA keeps changing the "Line in the sand" in regards to scope.

The 50 seat RJ will not compete with a mainline jet. The 76 seat RJ most certainly does. After everything this pilot group has been through why should we give up more or OUR flying?

Not so much choosing not to see, but our eyes hurt from too many "how do you make a Venetian blind?" gags and other unfunny pranks.

Nu

AirTrans fragmentation language.

NOTHING in there about furloughs or replacement aircraft.

Plain and simple. If a bulk of the aircraft leave, their management negotiates a shot of them following the aircraft.

This is NOT related to the TA. The 717s are coming if we vote this thing up or down, since that's the only way management gets more 76 seaters.

"F. Acquisition of Disposition of Assets 1. In the event of a Substantial Asset Sale, as defi ned hereunder, the Company agrees that it will undertake its best and all commercially reasonable efforts to require the air carrier purchaser to offer employ-ment to that number of pilots of the AirTran Pilots' Master Seniority List whose identity shall be determined consistent with the seniority provisions they then enjoy, which number of pilots entitled to such employment offer shall be the average monthly pilot staffi ng actually utilized in the operation of the transferred assets over the twelve (12) months prior to the employment offers and to negotiate, and to arbi-trate under Allegheny-Mohawk Section 13 any differences regarding the identity or number of transferring pilots that may arise with the air carrier purchaser and the integrate the two (2) pilot groups in ac-cordance with ALPA Merger Policy if applicable or otherwise under Sections 3 and 13 of Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provi-sions (using the applicable procedures in Paragraph E.2., above). For the purposes of this provision, a “Substantial Asset Sale” means the sale and/or assignment in a single transaction or a series of related transactions over a twelve (12) month period to a certifi cated air car-rier, other than in the ordinary course of business, of that number of aircraft that, net of asset purchases or acquisitions, over the twelve (12) months prior to the effective date of the transaction(s) produce more than thirty (30) percent of scheduled block hours. a. At such time that a transaction amounting to a Substantial As-set Sale is being fi nalized, the Company shall, on a confi dential basis, verbally notify the Association of any such Substantial Asset Sale prior to its being fi nalized (when possible at least ten (10) days prior to its being fi nalized), and the Company will solicit the recommendations of the Association.

Nu,

I don't see anything in that language about aircraft leasing.

In a perfect world I would love to see NO more big RJ's. However, they will park +/- 200 50 seaters soon. Those DELTA paxs need an airplane to fly in. That airplane will be a 70/76 seater or a ML 717/319 etc. Stinks that we couldn't get Delta pilots in those new RJ's but 88 new ML jets is a good thing. At the end of the day, DCI shrinks and ML grows, contractually. I think it would cost way too much negotiating capital to get us in the 76 seaters.

How do you know. Did we ever try?

TEN

You are comfortable with they way DCI aircraft are getting bigger and bigger. The company is getting rid of RJs that they dont need, yet you are OK with these BIG 76 seat aircraft going to DCI? We are getting close to the 100 seat mark, arent we? Dangerous move. We could be a 7000 pilot work force soon. Just like RA wanted NWA to be at 4900 pilots from 6500 pilots, he also wants Delta to be much much smaller.

TEN

Come on t, refute his points if you can. But don't call him blind.

Geez

Carl