Yup...They're being represented by DALPA now.

Carl

I've been reading for days now trying to educate myself. I've noticed something that really disturbs me and sends me toward a cautious better safe than sorry "NO" vote fairly strongly...
... the ALPA voice I see on here most often is Slowplay. And 95% of the time, he doesn't actually answer or give information--he just keeps asking questions. This is a standard arguing technique where you attempt to convince the other person you HAVE answered, but you don't ACTUALLY answer or commit to a position. For example, most everything is answered with something like,
"If what you say is true, then why has Delta done XXX? Why is RAH doing XXX? Hint: look at ZZZ."

This is no sort of response at all with a factual reply, it absolutely appears to me to be a continuous attempt to give the APPEARANCE of having answered, and that the answer is "no, RAH doing ZZZ proves you wrong", but in fact it doesn't mean anything of the sort. I'm sorry, but there are a lot of good questions guys are bringing up about contract enforcement in a worst-case scenario (the only kind that matters for having a contract really, it's not needed until it's edges are challenged). And I am not reading any valid answers from union respondents besides "they would never do that", "there's not much chance of that", "that's a very long shot, it doesn't make economic sense so your question is bogus", and the ingenuous answer a question with a question diversions mentioned above.

I absolutely am NOT getting a warm fuzzy that my union is protecting me from worst-case company abuse of wording in this TA.

No we didn't. We froze the value of whatever we had earned.
If you had not yet accrued 50% FAE you got targeted money to bring you up to an equivalent level. If you had already met or exceeded that level, you didn't need targeted money.

A 1983 hire should have been at 56% FAE at the time of the freeze.

Ha! It's being outsourced!

No. The agreement that sends the top half dc payments to the bottom half was done well before the merger. The first JCBA and the second one kept that agreement in full force and effect.

Carl

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I think I was closer to the 60% number actually, but we all went down to 50% FAE. That was one of the terms of the freeze.

Carl

Okay, so what happened between the first deal and the second deal that made Delta take the extra pay raise off the table?

Carl,

Objectively it can be argued the Mullin management team knew Contract 2000 would be an interim agreement. The expensive ($10,000 each and around $15,000 with installation cost) plasma screens were a side show compared to what 10 plus Billion in RJ's cost the Company.

By the way, the Plasma's had a known flaw. They would burn out particularly fast if the color Blue was displayed. Guess what color the background was for Delta's color scheme?

If you look back, Delta had retained a team with specific expertise in bankruptcy prior to Contract 2000. McKinsey and Co. (expertise - bankruptcy and outsourcing) started during Allen's tenure and got huge with the arrival of a former McKinsey manager to run Delta (Mr. Mullin). Just after C2K Michelle Burns (lesbian, bankruptcy expert) was promoted to Chief Financial Officer.

Delta was being managed for bankruptcy in 2005 and that's where it got to. ALPA's strategic planning for Contract 2000 was negligent. The economic assumptions in Section 1 of Contract 2000 would have had the Third Graders in Jeff Foxworthy's show laughing and rolling their eyes.

I do not trust those guys.

WOW!:mad: I didn't think that would be possible under ERISA. I didn't realize you lost a benefit when the pension was frozen.

Denny