Yes to Delta, NOPE to scope.

More 777's? Why not?

Management wants scope relief to outsource more flying. The 717 does not do anything for MD88A's or above. To get a scope sale, management has to throw something out there to get Captains excited ... hence 777, 747, Bristol Brabazons or whatever stirs their fancy.

How about just offer retiree heath care? Tha stir their fancy.

Except I don't know which is cheaper, 777s or health care.

I thouhght the company COULD get more 76 seat RJ's, at a rate of 3 RJ's for every 1 new Mainline airframe...? (which is WAY too high!)

So all they really have to do is buy a bunch of mainline airframes and they get more RJ's, right? And at a rate of 3 to 1.

Or do they want to keep mainline below the 3-1 floor and get more RJ's anyway??

Nope, that ain't gonna happen. :rolleyes:

No.

Re read the post on the previous page. Management is up against a hard limit of 255 70 to 76 seat jets. To go above 153 76 seaters, they must:
(1) Increase mainline fleet from 718 to 768, and
(2) Remove one 70 seater for every 76 seater added

Anyone have ideas on how to prevent a scope sale from passing? Our record is to vote for these things ... .

If they did get more 777's, I think they would only be as replacements to the 747's. So WATCH OUT, remember, they can get 3 more RJ's with every new mainline airplane, BUT...the numbers do NOT work in reverse, so if after they increase the mainline, and then RJ fleets, they then park the 747's (oil's getting pretty high) the RJ numbers do NOT need to decrease....do they? :eek:

So, to get from 718 up to 768, they only need to pick up 50 of the AT 717's, and then what happens if they get more than that?

Is it still at 3-1? If they got an additional ten 717's, do they get 30 more RJ's??

Or is 255 76 seat RJ's a hard cap, regardless of mainine fleet size?

And then what happens if later, if the mainline fleet shrinks? Do RJ's go down at 3 to 1?

I'll see if I can help.

There is a hard cap of 255 RJs over 50 seats.

We are at that cap.

There are 153 76 seat RJs currently.

There are 102 70* seat RJs.

To buy more 76 seat RJs the mainline fleet must be over 767 aircraft. When that happens delta can add 3 76 seat RJs for every 1 mainline plane over 767, BUT since they are at the 255 RJ cap they must park 1 70 seat RJ for every 76 seat RJ they add.

Did that help?

* a 70 seat RJ is any RJ over 50 seats but less than 71.

Quick question for the all knowing thread:

I'm waiting for OE to be assigned. Can the planners assign OE to me on a day off? I'm hoping to attend a fundraiser on an off day next month, and don't want to buy 2 $150 tickets if I may not even be able to go. The day in question is just a regular off day, not a golden day.

Thanks in advance

Timbo (using my phone to type) please read your PWA, Section 1, Definitions 40 D. The 255 limit is a hard cap on SEVENTY to 76 seat RJ's. Management is already maxed at the cap. To add a new 76 seater they would have to park a 70 seater. They don't want to comply (allegedly). If the mainline fleet shrinks, it would have no effect on the 255, or 153, or whatever number they come up with.