Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1158784)

More to the point; Why would a passenger need DAL if they could fly out of HND on ANA or JAL to most major gateways in the US? Why would a US customer choose DAL in to NRT when HND is downtown and saves them two hrs each way from city center to the airport?

What would DAL do if all of its US O&D traffic, as well as some of its connecting traffic choose a Japanese carrier? How much traffic is O&D out of NRT? How much is connecting? This is a HUGE issue for DAL and for DAL pilots. We would need effectively to move our 355 weekly slots back to HND to compete effectively.

Currently DAL could go a Code Share or a JV that is revenue sharing only and not profit sharing like the AF deal and there is not one thing in our PWA to prevent it. Talk about WB lift, seat progression et al.

For me these two issues in Section 1 (CS and JV protection on all deals) are a must to get my yes vote. (not to mention SJS, holding companies and some way to bound a international corporation in the event of a transnational merger.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1158693)

Yes to Delta, NOPE to scope.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1158720)

Timbo (using my phone to type) please read your PWA, Section 1, Definitions 40 D. The 255 limit is a hard cap on SEVENTY to 76 seat RJ's. Management is already maxed at the cap. To add a new 76 seater they would have to park a 70 seater. They don't want to comply (allegedly). If the mainline fleet shrinks, it would have no effect on the 255, or 153, or whatever number they come up with.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1158780)

I WISH Anil were running DAL, we'd still have ATL-BOM trips! :D

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1158784)

More to the point; Why would a passenger need DAL if they could fly out of HND on ANA or JAL to most major gateways in the US? Why would a US customer choose DAL in to NRT when HND is downtown and saves them two hrs each way from city center to the airport?

What would DAL do if all of its US O&D traffic, as well as some of its connecting traffic choose a Japanese carrier? How much traffic is O&D out of NRT? How much is connecting? This is a HUGE issue for DAL and for DAL pilots. We would need effectively to move our 355 weekly slots back to HND to compete effectively.

Currently DAL could go a Code Share or a JV that is revenue sharing only and not profit sharing like the AF deal and there is not one thing in our PWA to prevent it. Talk about WB lift, seat progression et al.

For me these two issues in Section 1 (CS and JV protection on all deals) are a must to get my yes vote. (not to mention SJS, holding companies and some way to bound a international corporation in the event of a transnational merger.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1158873)

Does Hawaii have slots to HND? Buy Hawaii. Use 330s there, some 767 flying out of NRT just cuz, get the 744s into HND to our hubs, 773s to fly over Japan mixed with 744 and 772 where appropriate.

And MD88s to take care of the ladies back home.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1158736)

They can offer all the health care for retirees they want (I assume you are thinking that it would get more early retirees) but we shouldn't pay one... red... cent.... for it, because in the end, it will not amount to a hill of beans and it certainly won't entice anybody that wasn't already planning on going to go.. naaah that is a myth.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1158881)

Should we buy the state, or just the airline Hawaiian? :D

Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1158884)

T, aren't we already paying for the retired enhanced health benefits for the other employees that it was offered too? It still comes out of the same pot.