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tsquare 03-27-2012 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1158884)
T, aren't we already paying for the retired enhanced health benefits ,that were recently offered to some other employees? It still comes out of the same pot.

I am just saying that we don't need to negotiate any early retirement pilot medical under the laughable auspices that it will get anybody out the door sooner rather than later....

Columbia 03-27-2012 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1158923)
I am just saying that we don't need to negotiate any early retirement pilot medical under the laughable auspices that it will get anybody out the door sooner rather than later....

Ive heard a little differently(that it won't cause people to exit early). How about a 6 month window in which to take the benefit? After that, no dice.

Carl Spackler 03-27-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1158767)
I hope the loads in and out of NRT have recovered by now. I haven't been out that way in several months, maybe Carl can tell us what's going on, load wise, with the Whale flying.

Don't know about the other airplanes, but the whale flying was back to being strong just a few months after the quake. Always either totally full or high 300's for pax count and 40 to 50K pounds of cargo.

Carl

Carl Spackler 03-27-2012 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1158709)
No.

Re read the post on the previous page. Management is up against a hard limit of 255 70 to 76 seat jets. To go above 153 76 seaters, they must:
(1) Increase mainline fleet from 718 to 768, and
(2) Remove one 70 seater for every 76 seater added

Anyone have ideas on how to prevent a scope sale from passing? Our record is to vote for these things ... .

I think it's going to be tough Bar. My connection of dots shows me this as our upcoming scenario:

1. Our CURRENT scope allows for more 76 seaters when mainline jets go above 767.

2. Our CURRENT scope does not require the parking of those 76 seaters if mainline jets go back below 767.

3. The company has a strategy to do just this by basically "borrowing" the Air Tran 717's.

4. Our union will sign off on allowing more 76 seat jets to be flown by outside pilots as long as we "keep" the 717's and not "borrow" them.

5. The pilots will scream bloody murder that the union ratified such a TA and will threaten to vote it down.

6. DALPA will respond by saying: "We HAD to do this guys. The company was ready to "borrow" the Air Tran 717's, then immediately bring on a bunch more 76 seaters, then sell off the 717's after a while. It would have been perfectly legal, and we would have gotten no mainline growth. At least with this, we'll get to keep all the 717's...even though we had to eat more 76 seaters being flown by non-Delta pilots. It's a win-win. Vote YES."

Carl

forgot to bid 03-27-2012 06:41 PM

I could google this and may find an answer, but why do that when you have a george or a gloopy?

773 vs 744? thoughts?

The one thing about the 773 and the 748 is the 773 seems to win most all of the passenger orders and the 748 most all of the freighter orders. Which we all know is insane, given there is no money in cargo.

Is it fair to assume if you're hauling a bunch of people and a cargo load and you want it to make it there nonstop, you want the 747. But if you're not going to haul both a lot of people and a lot of stuff, then don't use the 747, the 773 is perfect.

Kind of like the F-250 and the F-150 crew cabs. Gotta really pull a trailer and take 4 dudes, F-250. Got to take 4 dudes to Home Depot to get a bunch of stuff, F-150.

?

forgot to bid 03-27-2012 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1158491)
Several hundred hours of Dash Six time here. Long story. Great times. I grew to hate props, however.

I got an idea.

You ever notice we don't have air service from LGA to... JFK? Or LGA to EWR? How about ATL to Macon? ATL to PDK or Lawrenceville? CVG to Lukin? LAX to Ontario?

Well, here's the solution:

http://airpigz.com/storage/2010-may/...=1273278211856

And B-u-double-Z, I've got good news, the cockpit rocks:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...00-cockpit.jpg

80ktsClamp 03-27-2012 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1158988)
I think it's going to be tough Bar. My connection of dots shows me this as our upcoming scenario:

1. Our CURRENT scope allows for more 76 seaters when mainline jets go above 767.

2. Our CURRENT scope does not require the parking of those 76 seaters if mainline jets go back below 767.

3. The company has a strategy to do just this by basically "borrowing" the Air Tran 717's.

4. Our union will sign off on allowing more 76 seat jets to be flown by outside pilots as long as we "keep" the 717's and not "borrow" them.

5. The pilots will scream bloody murder that the union ratified such a TA and will threaten to vote it down.

6. DALPA will respond by saying: "We HAD to do this guys. The company was ready to "borrow" the Air Tran 717's, then immediately bring on a bunch more 76 seaters, then sell off the 717's after a while. It would have been perfectly legal, and we would have gotten no mainline growth. At least with this, we'll get to keep all the 717's...even though we had to eat more 76 seaters being flown by non-Delta pilots. It's a win-win. Vote YES."

Carl

We may very well see something similar to that tossed out. It will be something slimy, for sure.

By the way, even though what we got was exactly what the company got as the opener... I won't dangle the crow in front of you. :) That was too freaking vague.

I'm going deal with crew scheduling in that vague manner from now on.

80ktsClamp 03-27-2012 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1158999)
I got an idea.

You ever notice we don't have air service from LGA to... JFK? Or LGA to EWR? How about ATL to Macon? ATL to PDK or Lawrenceville? CVG to Lukin? LAX to Ontario?

Well, here's the solution:

http://airpigz.com/storage/2010-may/...=1273278211856

And B-u-double-Z, I've got good news, the cockpit rocks:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...00-cockpit.jpg

I really want to fly that thing just to use the dangly throttles from the ceiling. I'd feel like a railroad engineer or something.

Carl Spackler 03-27-2012 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1158769)
I have no idea what that point is, but the 777s can carry almost as much a lot farther, so the roles of the 747s could be diminished to hub to hub stuff or maybe charter...

Almost as much? Our 777's carry 269 pax. Our 744's carry 393 pax. Our 777's carry about 30K in cargo. Our 744's can carry 60K in cargo.

???

Carl

forgot to bid 03-27-2012 07:00 PM

What kind of stuff are you getting sent to you via the crew notification option? I never get notified of anything but its all set up. I want to get notified.

oh wait, i think i found the answer. the text stuff hasn't happened yet, right? Not til the 29th?


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