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Originally Posted by THEBRICK (Post 1182437)

No more 76 seaters. If I vote yes on this possible TA, not only would I be voting myself out of a job( being junior), but I also give the guys taking my job a raise with their shiney new 76 seater. I am pretty sure the ALPA contract survey didn't say the majority of DAL maineline pilots wanted more 76 seaters unless we can fly them. DPA seems to get this, why not ALPA?

*** are you talking about? DPA is not an entity that has any bearing on this negotiation currently. DPA may become a recognized entity in the future and I am sure will get some traction depending on the outcome of this ALPA contract currently being negotiated. But to even state or infer that DPA has a role, position or bargaining point is silly. DPA needs to get enough cards for 50% to send it up for a vote. That is the only thing DPA can do at the moment, until then anything being spawned from any entity other than DALPA is certainly hubris and reeks of the worst possible political mud slinging.:mad:

Before you say it, yes I signed my DPA card. At the moment they have no bearing on this negotiation only the next one if need be.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1182359)

I have heard a different rumor. I will post it here as a rumor only. The company is not asking for more then 76 seats. What they want is more aircraft allowed above the 153 or 155 cap on large RJ's. They are willing to have fewer over all RJ's but more aircraft in the 70 to 76 seat range. This is not acceptable to me as I believe the E175 should be at the mainline. They will offer some type of block hour arrangement/ratio as a inducement to ratify.

This was being heavily implied at the PUB event I attended. It's an automatic no vote from me as well.

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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1182455)

This was being heavily implied at the PUB event I attended. It's an automatic no vote from me as well.

Yep. If Section 1 is lacking, it's a "NO." I won't even bother to read the rest.

Man it does my heart good to read these last 20 or so posts. Great stuff.

Carl

I can't help but chuckle at DPA trying to scare people with this TWA lawsuit. I hope people realize how far from over it is. We aren't going to be assessed. This will be dragged through the court system for MANY more years.

Everyone does realize that in order to be assessed, ALPA members in good standing have to APPROVE the assessment via vote? So they can't just TAKE $$$ from you. The assessment has to be put to vote.

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Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 1182448)

I can't believe some of you guys are even considering the thought of allowing more 76 seaters. They are already parking the 50 seaters NOW. We do not have to give them squat and they will still park them. Look at Comair! Guys, do not fall for these traps. Management was already going to park them. Hold the freaking line! No more 76 seaters period or automatic NO vote from me.

Bring them on...!!! All of them. I will bid "A" on the first available bid. I know it will be cheaper for DAL to operate the 76 aircraft in-house, rather than outsource. I KNOW IT!

TEN

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1182359)

That would be an easy no vote from me too.

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 1182485)

That would be an easy no vote from me too.

In all the years I have voted on contracts, I have never met ANYONE who would admit that they voted "yes" on a contract. Not sure how any of them passed. Just an observation.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1182394)

The 50 seaters will be parked when their ASAs come up and they are off lease. Those ASAs are good for another 4 years at the minimum and up to another 12 years.

Use your noggins and start thinking what will open up those ASAs and allow a huge portion of DCI to be parked rapidly in exchange for a few airplanes.

I think you are on to something here. Delta wants 50's parked ASAP, but probably not the ones coming off leases in the next few years, but the Pinnacle and SkyWest ones that have up to ten more years left. To park them outright will cost DAL a butt load of money. I would venture to guess it is well over a billion dollars in the DCI agreements termination clauses, and Bombardier's early lease termination provisions. If DAL were asking for more 76 seat jets, I am sure there is already an agreement in principle with the DCI carriers and Bombardier on some sort of ratio to re-negotiate the DCI contracts and Bombardier forgiving the early termination penalties.

I also assume the 319/717's would take over the 50 seat flying on a 2.5-1 ratio of block hrs, with a slight up tick in ASM's company wide. If they park what is rumored you would be looking at at least a 30% cut in DCI block hrs, with immediate hiring at mainline.

All of this is rumor, but if the downside language is there, this one is going to be almost impossible to stop.

So when do you all think the MEC will see an agreement?