Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1182340)

I'm not seeking to allow ANY type of ratio up gauge allowance. The total airframe limit would be a strict limit with absolutely zero allowance above that limit.......Until the next contract is negotiated...... Xray explained it better than I could in his previous post.

But, you do bring up another question I had in mind, can the amount of airframes be increased above the max agreed limit without going to the group for ratification? Basically could the reps sign an MOU that would allow additional airframes without the group's vote?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1182348)

I would think any change in scope of that magnitude would have to go to a vote but........you never know until it happens.:eek:

Denny

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1182337)

DH,

I will vote no on anything that increases scope beyond 76 seats. Think long term with your senario. If we allow any amount of 90 seaters on the property the company will jump on it and the camels nose will be under the tent. Long term the company will seek to increase that amount and then, all of a sudden, the 100 seat flying is gone........ We do NOT want that to happen.

Denny

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1182340)

But, you do bring up another question I had in mind, can the amount of airframes be increased above the max agreed limit without going to the group for ratification? Basically could the reps sign an MOU that would allow additional airframes without the group's vote?

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1182341)

The problem with your theory is a limit on the number of airframes has never held up. When we got the 76 seaters it was sold as only 30 airframes, 15 the first year and 15 the second.

Whatever size airframe you are thinking about, accept that one day DCI will have as many as they want. Then decide if you can still live with it.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1182334)

I'm not sure if they would still have that option.

I just bring the 90 seater thing up because I figure that's the rumor that's been getting kicked around.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1182359)

I have heard a different rumor. I will post it here as a rumor only. The company is not asking for more then 76 seats. What they want is more aircraft allowed above the 153 or 155 cap on large RJ's. They are willing to have fewer over all RJ's but more aircraft in the 70 to 76 seat range. This is not acceptable to me as I believe the E175 should be at the mainline. They will offer some type of block hour arrangement/ratio as a inducement to ratify.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1182326)

I'm expected to get crucified over this, but here goes anyway.

Being junior, I am well aware of the significance and importance of holding scope at no more than 76 seats, so with that being said, haven't we technically already scoped out 90 seat aircraft?

I mean the DCI aircraft themselves have been reconfigured for 76 seats, but still have a capacity for 90 seats. I'm just looking at this objectively here, and before I get accused of selling short term contract gains for scope relaxation here is my question;

Would increasing the seat capacity to allow 90 seats, BUT reducing the overall limit from 255 airframes down to lets say 180 (or something like that) be such a bad deal?

255 airframes X 76 seats = 19,380 seats
180 airframes X 90 seats = 16,200 seats
So reducing the hull limit aggressively while allowing 90 seaters would decrease frequency and overall DCI seats by 3,180 seats.

Trust me I would love to see that flying being brought to mainline, but if that doesn't happen isn't reducing the amount of seats/airframes being subcontracted out just as beneficial?

It pings me to say that, but I figure less airframes is probably as important as the amount of seats each aircraft can hold.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, not saying the company would go for something like.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just curious as to what some of the more senior/experienced guys think.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1182359)

I have heard a different rumor. I will post it here as a rumor only. The company is not asking for more then 76 seats. What they want is more aircraft allowed above the 153 or 155 cap on large RJ's. They are willing to have fewer over all RJ's but more aircraft in the 70 to 76 seat range. This is not acceptable to me as I believe the E175 should be at the mainline. They will offer some type of block hour arrangement/ratio as a inducement to ratify.