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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1136262)
Delta's future is uncertain. IMHO it all hinges on scope. Currently we are on a trend could best be described as the slow liquidation of the Company. As things stand currently, leaving Delta to fly for Emirates is clearly a way to earn substantially more money for the bottom 40% of or list. As Delta shrinks and upgrades go out 15-20 years it becomes almost nonsensical (from a pure economic view) to remain at Delta for most people hired since 2000.
January 2012 - Delta Pilots In Category = 10,653 We are slowly being liquidated. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1136376)
January 2010 - Delta Pilots In Category = 10,632
January 2012 - Delta Pilots In Category = 10,653 We are slowly being liquidated. |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1136308)
Dude, lighten up.
Since I know you're an educated man, I believe you intended to say: "Lighten up Francis, Bacon." |
Please tell me that's not Buzz Hazzard?
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 1136384)
Please tell me that's not Buzz Hazzard?
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1136336)
There is no such thing as dilution of price. There is only dilution of value, and that ONLY happens when a corporation issues additional shares. With a stock split, no additional shares are issued by the company. Everyone just owns double (or some multiple) the amount of shares. Everyone. It does not change the percent of ownership by anyone.
If any company decided to split for that reason, then they don't understand stock splits. The main reason companies split their stock is when the price makes it difficult for retail investors to purchase in 100 share lots. In theory, this allows more moms and pops to own your stock. ALK splitting their stock is meaningless to advancing an acquisition, or defending against one. The CEO resigning is very noteworthy though. Carl |
Originally Posted by TOGA LK
(Post 1136384)
Please tell me that's not Buzz Hazzard?
You want your nuclear football codes carried? He's got you covered. You want him to write a book absolutely trashing all things liberal? He'll do it several times. You want him to fly your C-141 into insane winds at Lajes? Done that. What's that you say? You want him to fly your 737 and actually enjoy it? All over that. All while sipping foo-foo drinks and maintaining pure manliness. That is the buzzpat here. _____________ Speaking of APC L&G people outing themselves, looks like our very own satchip was spotted at an Alabama basketball game recently trying to distract the UF players: http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Iru...tric-Young.jpg |
Originally Posted by RCD73
(Post 1136234)
You're kidding me right ?
The limits are 100hrs/28 days and 900hrs/ year. The flight times are 'factored'. The time in the bunk doesn't count towards the limit. Fact is a place like EK tells you the way it is because they do not want you unless you come in eyes wide open and know what to expect. They are about their image and anything that negatively effects that, including their pilots will be dealt with. They can do 9+ hr turns just like they do in Asia. It is a ****er but they also allow reading and controlled napping on the flight deck. My friends there state that they will come up from break and take a nap. :eek: |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1136319)
Primary reasons we've had Pinnacle 410-it-dude, Colgan in Buffalo, and Air France.
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1136335)
And add the mental well being issues related to not making ends meet or marital and/or kid problems because one is gone too long trying to make ends meet (or just commuting)
(CAM = Cockpit Area Mike) CAM-1 funny you were talking about Emirates, I mean, I, I, I flew with a guy who was, he said he filled out the application process, he filled out the application and went through the background checks. actually I did my uh, my MV/LOE with him uh, about three or four weeks ago and uh, he was telling me all about it. CAM-2 well that might do all that stuff prior to actually, giving you, the interview date. CAM-1 uh huh. CAM-2 but you are by no means guaranteed anything…. CAM-1 yeah. CAM-2 but. CAM-1 I just talked to my wife about it, we looked at, we looked at it on line. you know and I was looking at the pay scales and uh, yeah I know they provide a place ta, for you to live and things like that and was at four thousand, I don't know, forty-four hundred dollars. CAM-2 fifty-two, fifty-two twelve, a month for the first * month tax free. CAM-? how is it? CAM-2 yeah. CAM-1 yeah the last time I looked at it or it was like forty-five or something and but. I talked to a guy who was in the military, he said he was, he said it's really pretty for a desert, you know it's.... CAM-2 yeah well there's a guy, a military guy, up uh, a first officer, in Kennedy, he's like I think you're doing the right thing. he says if not to visit, maybe to be an ex-patriot and live there is not a good thing. CAM-1 yeah, what I heard, you know you can't buy land uum, they'll let you buy a condo, like on a high rise or something, thank you, but you can't buy property.... here they come Kelly. CAM-2 yeah howdy, like yeah, yeah * and then I kept thinking about it.... I guess, when I'm, I'm deciding on making a major decision, if it doesn't feel right in my gut. or if I don't have a little voice, if it's starts talking to me and I'm like I need to re-evaluate. CAM-1 yeah CAM-2 you know it'd be nice to go over there and fly heavy metal, fly international, but they work you hard over there I've been told. CAM-1 oh do they? CAM-2 yeah, they fly you if they can up to a hundred hours ** they have triple sevens *. like for you with the kids, you'd get a housing allowance at a villa. and for me and my wife with no kids, we'd get an apartment. the apartments don't allow any animals and I have four dogs and I'm not, I'm not about to give up, I've had 'em for a while. if I fly overseas, I wanna start and finish here in the States... Excerpted from the CVR transcript of Comair 5191. KLEX, Aug 27, 2006 |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 1136237)
I think ACL has a better understanding about QOL in overseas carriers better than you. On my last trip to the Far East, I met an American expat pilot firend working for Tiger Airways (an LCC) in Singapore. His QOL was a hell lot better than mine at DAL. He is a NWA furloughee with no plans to come back. None of his US pilot buddies are coming back for what they are offering in the States. As a widebody FO, I take home around $5500 per month after taxes and deduction. This guy takes home $14,000+ after taxes, even at this low cost carrier. He has been working in the Far East for five years and managed to save close to half a million dollars. His biggest complaint was that his airline makes him pay for onboard sandwiches. If I make $14,000 net, I will pay for my own damn sandwiches!
There are some 737 jobs in China paying 20K a month. No kidding and yes, that is in USD. Benefits are on top of that. And Tiger is not the only one in Far East recruiting Americans. Jetstar Asia (Singapore, Japan), Air Asia etc are all looking. Not to mention the Chinese carriers paying upwards of $18,000 per month net for some 320 left seat positions. ACL is right; if DAL and other majors here does not sweeten the pot, they will have a tough time attracting quality talent to come work for us once the retirements start picking up.
Originally Posted by RCD73
(Post 1136251)
$14 000 Singapore dollars is $11 000 USD a month. You are quoting their Max rate in Singapore dollars.
Tiger Airways jobs, payscales and entry requirements. Tiger Airways has been banned from Australian airspace twice in the last year for safety violations: Tiger Airways shutdown causing havoc for tourism industry I completely understand and support your goal, however DAL management probably knows the players. I think they'd burst out laughing if a DAL A320 Capt threatened to go to Tiger. Jetstar is a LCC whipsaw for Qantas mainline. Their cadets pay for there own training.
Originally Posted by Whidbey
(Post 1136255)
When my commanding officers would tell me why I should stay in the Navy, I often got the feeling they were trying to see their own decisions validated by seeing someone else repeat them, rather than advocating for my best interest. Guys going after ACL for talking about Emirates remind me of that.
I definitely think there is a bright future for Delta Air Lines, but the word is out (at least in the active duty military) that with respect to pay, it's a third or fourth choice. One great thing about Delta is the high quality of Captain you get to fly with. It's obvious that when they were hired, Delta was for the most part getting the cream of the crop. I agree that management probably doesn't care about turn over, but I do think this next contract is going to completely determine the quality of pilots we're able to attract heading into future hiring. The reality is DAL needs to decide what they want to pay to retain and recruit people. A significant raise with expansion and scope recapture on all levels would go a long way to making DAL the carrier of choice among those wanting to be career pilots. |
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