Look at you, reading your daughter's text messages and pretending you know what that means. :cool:
You're still old. I guess that's to be expected...after all, you have to work longer due to DALPA giving up your pension and pay to cement its "constructive engagement" strategy with the company.

Yup.. you got me.

Of course the nice thing about being old is too that I am smarter than you, and I will ALWAYS be senior to you.

Troll on fool.

You're kidding me right ?

The limits are 100hrs/28 days and 900hrs/ year. The flight times are 'factored'. The time in the bunk doesn't count towards the limit.

I think ACL has a better understanding about QOL in overseas carriers better than you. On my last trip to the Far East, I met an American expat pilot firend working for Tiger Airways (an LCC) in Singapore. His QOL was a hell lot better than mine at DAL. He is a NWA furloughee with no plans to come back. None of his US pilot buddies are coming back for what they are offering in the States. As a widebody FO, I take home around $5500 per month after taxes and deduction. This guy takes home $14,000+ after taxes, even at this low cost carrier. He has been working in the Far East for five years and managed to save close to half a million dollars. His biggest complaint was that his airline makes him pay for onboard sandwiches. If I make $14,000 net, I will pay for my own damn sandwiches!

And Tiger is not the only one in Far East recruiting Americans. Jetstar Asia (Singapore, Japan), Air Asia etc are all looking. Not to mention the Chinese carriers paying upwards of $18,000 per month net for some 320 left seat positions.

ACL is right; if DAL and other majors here does not sweeten the pot, they will have a tough time attracting quality talent to come work for us once the retirements start picking up.

Maybe we should renegotiate our profit sharing to include the profits from everyone we code share with...make outsourcing flying have some sort of financial penalty with it.

Nu

$14 000 Singapore dollars is $11 000 USD a month. You are quoting their Max rate in Singapore dollars.

Tiger Airways jobs, payscales and entry requirements.


Tiger Airways has been banned from Australian airspace twice in the last year for safety violations:

Tiger Airways shutdown causing havoc for tourism industry


I completely understand and support your goal, however DAL management probably knows the players. I think they'd burst out laughing if a DAL A320 Capt threatened to go to Tiger. Jetstar is a LCC whipsaw for Qantas mainline. Their cadets pay for there own training.

When my commanding officers would tell me why I should stay in the Navy, I often got the feeling they were trying to see their own decisions validated by seeing someone else repeat them, rather than advocating for my best interest. Guys going after ACL for talking about Emirates remind me of that.

I definitely think there is a bright future for Delta Air Lines, but the word is out (at least in the active duty military) that with respect to pay, it's a third or fourth choice.

One great thing about Delta is the high quality of Captain you get to fly with. It's obvious that when they were hired, Delta was for the most part getting the cream of the crop. I agree that management probably doesn't care about turn over, but I do think this next contract is going to completely determine the quality of pilots we're able to attract heading into future hiring.

Whidby,

Just an opinion, but there is a wide disconnect within Delta about their pilots. To the network guy, we are a simple commodity. They'd price shop us with less discretion than they put towards buying spaghetti noodles at Kroger if they could. They just want cheap, heard them say "GoJets is the best ..." earlier this week.

To flight operations management, we are the best, expected to know our stuff, help market the Company, something to take pride in, the cream of the crop.

It boils down to what makes it easier to do their job. Flight Operations management expects us to be the best because that makes their job easier. Network just wants the cheapest because that makes their job easier. At the end of the day Network decides if we fly, which is why scope is absolutely critical. (I dare say most pilots here don't understand that management wants to replace them)

You are completely correct about the Captains here. Great folks.

Delta's future is uncertain. IMHO it all hinges on scope. Currently we are on a trend could best be described as the slow liquidation of the Company. As things stand currently, leaving Delta to fly for Emirates is clearly a way to earn substantially more money for the bottom 40% of or list. As Delta shrinks and upgrades go out 15-20 years it becomes almost nonsensical (from a pure economic view) to remain at Delta for most people hired since 2000.

My expectations are brighter than what Delta Management is telling us. I think they have to close the scope gap and have to put my faith in ALPA that they will not go along with outsourcing that work. Eventually, we'll start growing widebody international flying and have some hope for a turn around at the end of 2013 as the jets get off the mod line and adjustments are needed to bring us into compliance with out JV window.

Yep. And that applies to the entire industry too.

For example... regional pay. It's always been low. But it was a relatively temporary stop (maybe 5 years or so) on the way to a job at the majors with outstanding compensation and a tremendous retirement. Now, the civilian guys get stuck with a huge amount of debt getting through flight school, get stuck at a regional making less than a Taco Bell store manager for God knows how long... and then when/if they finally get to a major, the career is worth about HALF of what it used to be. From what I understand, a lot of the military guys can't justify making the jump anymore either with what it pays.

At Delta, we have an opportunity with this next contract to turn this profession around and most likely save lives (yes, the lack of quality pilots WILL become a major safety issue in this industry if it hasn't already). Delta missed a huge opportunity back in 2005 to preserve the quality of this profession when they instead chose to do the "monkey see, monkey do" thing along with everyone else. Will they miss this opportunity? Are they really that short sighted? Cause if they don't help fix this, it's eventually going to bite them in the @ss.

Oh no my friend.... I quoted in USD and I did not qoute max pay either. Here is a break down for you:

The following is Tiger salary. They get a base pay of SGD11,000 + SGD113 for every hour after the first 20.

(Basic S$11000 but includes 20hrs flying. $113 per hour over 20 hrs).

Tiger is just about to announce an increased pay rate, beacuse they are losing some pilots to other LCCs in the area. And Tiger Australia is a different subsidiary than Tiger Singapore. Tiger Singapore has been running pretty falwlessly so far.

At the end of the day, we are still comparing ourselves to some LCC. Some bottom feeder LCC is still paying way more than what we're paying. DAL is nowhere close to the top in payscale for a global pilot.

And Tiger is just an example. There are plenty others in the region which pays even better than them.