You are right. I jumped the gun, and fixed my original post.
My bad, Sailing. I apologize. I agree with your take. :o
If true, it must be voted down by the MEC.

I'd rather take the risk and let us vote on it then just have the MEC vote it down. I think a resounding no vote would be a big show of Bar like unity.

There really is no way to spin these numbers to a positive. There is no way it passes.

Unless this is the expectations game, manage lower then come in high. Makes the unacceptable look great! 15% in the first year? Sounds bad unless you're expecting 12%.

If this rumor has any basis in fact, I would NOT expect to see a TA unless:

DCI went away. Section 1 was 100% fixed. DC contribution went to the 415C limit. Profit sharing stayed. 500 early retirements were incentivised. etc.

In this case, I might consider voting yes.

I have also emailed my reps.

And a 51% pass condemns us to purgatory, where ALPA is weaker, DPA stronger by default, and we have to look at ourselves in the mirror, and realize we're just a bunch of cheap [deleted].

Unless, of course, the T/A delivered what actually privately asked for. In which case you'll never meet a single person in the 60% that voted it in. This might be a time when we HAVE to show our hand, and release some of the survey results.

I was wondering if maybe this was some sort of leak check? But you're right, round numbers like 5/10/5/5 might work. I haven't heard many people in person ask for more than 15%, but very few ask for less.

Where did this rumor come from?

I'm not trying to sound condescending, but maybe we should all chill out until some actual facts are presented. Then we can complain and threaten to vote it down.

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I agree 15% per year would be acceptable........;) 5/10/5/5 will pass the over 55 crowd but for the younger bunch there will need to be more in order to pass.

I think from the ALPA board. One former (long time ago) rep put it up. I think we're mostly re-feeding it to each other since. It's becoming more and more "truther" each time we pass it on.

Some pro-DPA guys seem to suggest they've had it confirmed from multiple sources. How many guys can there be on the MEC that feed them info?

For all I know, it could all come from a single source, and it could be wrong. I haven't been able to reach my reps yet. Meanwhile, I'm going to go with Scambo's version. Sleep better.

Probably so. 15% is a number you can get your brain to work with, to have a discussion.

I prefer to look at Tomcats numbers and think we're ending DCI and codeshares with domestic 737-900ER operators.

Let me tell you what I heard. (Ill give you the other side of the spectrum)

29/9/9/5---> Another 5% for DC-->No more 50 seaters-->717s in house-->70 seaters limited but will transfer in house as soon as we create a DCI flow--> JV venture board with two union members to audit and oversee-->Alaska Merger (Alaska Pilots only 737 fence for 27 years)-->6 positive space first class tickets as a good faith jesture:eek:

**Dont let the low numbers that are being thrown around reduce your expectations thus satisfying a meager TA:mad:

TEN