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hockeypilot44 05-15-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1188905)
4 * 8 * 3 * 3.

No way. Includes 76 seater additions / neg. adjustment to prft shrng.

Wow. I really hope this statement is wrong. Forget about expectations. This is overall concessionary or cost-neutral at best. The 4 percent and 3 percent raises are just keeping our buying power the same. This would be a 4 year deal with a single 5 percent raise in exchange for selling scope (yes, I said it). Honestly, the above is so far below my expectations, I don't even believe it. I'll have to see it officially to believe it.

TheManager 05-15-2012 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1188924)
Are you serious or is this a joke?

No, apparently not a joke. I asked the same.

If this leak is correct, it stands as quite frankly a disrespectful offer.

I am beginning to think that the rushed timeline is part of the negotiating strategy and a ploy.

The sell now is going to be urgency.

Except this - NOW!

The offer is a one time only deal, reject it and the next will not be as good. Ratify it - NOW!

We need a hurried timeline for voting - NOW!

In the end, it might be apparent that there was no reason for the hurried hurried negotiation except to contrast the "except it now and capture the time/value or risk a drawn out section 6."

Kind of like a quick negotiating shock and awe to throw folks off balance.

hockeypilot44 05-15-2012 03:19 PM

Is anyone else having a hard time getting to the DALPA forums?

Ball Breaker 05-15-2012 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1188905)
4 * 8 * 3 * 3.

No way. Includes 76 seater additions / neg. adjustment to prft shrng.


If these are indeed the numbers, what happens if the MEC doesn't send it back? Let's hope they dont "punt."
History has shown we'd MEMRAT a ham sandwich.

1234 05-15-2012 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1188905)
4 * 8 * 3 * 3.

No way. Includes 76 seater additions / neg. adjustment to prft shrng.

Nice attempt to push your agenda.

Ball Breaker 05-15-2012 03:35 PM

The numbers mean far less to me than Scope and work rules.

If we fixed other areas (rigs, min day, vacation, training, reserve pay....) W2s could improve significantly. IMO, we've already gave up enough 76 seaters. Scope and work rules are difficult to recapture.

DeadHead 05-15-2012 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 1188950)
If these are indeed the numbers, what happens if the MEC doesn't send it back? Let's hope they dont "punt."
History has shown we'd MEMRAT a ham sandwich.

Ham sandwich actually sounds quite a bit better at this point.....

TheManager 05-15-2012 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1188954)
Nice attempt to push your agenda.

Have no agenda. Just disappointment at this time.

I have said it before, I'll say it one last time.

A don't want to see a representational change. I want to see a representational fix.

If ALPA is no longer our bargaining agent, it wiil be their own fault. This has been theirs to either win, or perhaps lose. Any demise of ALPA will be by their own hand.

That is the stark reality of it all.

gloopy 05-15-2012 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1188905)
4 * 8 * 3 * 3.

No way. Includes 76 seater additions / neg. adjustment to prft shrng.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ons/340x-6.gif

If that's the offer, the NC is back to the line, George and I storm in there and go all:

(NOT safe for work/kids/domestic animals that know more than 3 words or clergy)

K - Swiss - Kenny Powers Marketing - YouTube

Obviously George is wearing black and doing all the heavy lifting. I'll just be there for moral support and looking good.

Sink r8 05-15-2012 03:43 PM

4/8/3/3? Should pass easily. Only need to up the DC contribution ~5/2/2/2, properly repair the contract, and clean-up in aisle 1.


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