I have not signed an NDA with AMR yet.

I have posted on here that we have lost far more jobs to work rules then RJ's many times on here. I get blasted for it and many of the frequent posters on here made it clear they wanted to work as many hours as they want. The company is getting 25 percent more block hours per pilot then they did in 2001. Think about that. Thats 2500 jobs in a 10,000 pilot airline.
This contract however costs us very little in terms of jobs compared to the last few rounds. In fact since the company did not apply any job costing to getting rid of trip parking it might not cost us any jobs.
Jobs were lost due to alv plus 15 and 84 hours.
Jobs were gained stopping trip parking, counting leaves and vacations toward full for reserves, reserves being full at the reserve guarantee instead of ALV. Additional X days per year. Additional vacation and training pay among other things.

The shift of block hours from DCI to the mainline for the 717 will require over 1000 pilots to staff. How many new hires that ends up being will only be known if you can predict the total block hours marketing plans on flying. Since the 717's don't start coming online until after next summer I would not expect a lot of hiring driving by the 717 until next fall. There planned first 717 bid will be in Dec or Jan to get the pipeline going.

I had heard the same figures. I was under the impression there would be some 717s around starting in March 13. That would require hiring for summer 13 cycle.

How do you measure that? Somehow about 6,000 non Delta pilots have jobs performing "Delta" flying.

As a matter of unity, I see all Delta flying as work which should be performed by a pilot on the Delta seniority list. Is it correct that you see "jobs that Delta pilots do not want" and measure gains or losses from a status quo which presupposes around 50% of our work being outsourced?

Added two words.

Their hope is to have a DC9 displacement bid coincide with the 717 bid.

They're pretty smart over there.

Sorry about the circular nature of this discussion, but, if management was shooting straight about a straight up refleeting of the 50 seaters, we would be hiring "more than 1,000 pilots." However, if management's real focus is on the Next Gen CRJ-900 and the 717 is an inefficient stop gap to appease pilots, then it will be staffed with displacements (or some combination of both). It beats a furlough, but, IMHO it should not matter if the CRJ200 refleeting is performed by an RJ or a mainline jet, a Delta pilot should be at the controls.

With all the capacity reductions, we are carrying enough fat to fill the 717 and 737 through 2014. Management will not have to address the AF JV until mid 2015 and oh shockers, we have a contract then ... lemme see ... scope problem ... scope SOLUTION ... no problem ... the job sales are as easy to time as the end of season sales on lawn mowers.

Management probably over played their hand a bit if they bluffed about hiring. Same players will be at the next card game, if we have a next card game.Yep. They take a long term perspective on scope. This allows management to exploit our lack of strategic direction, or moral guidance.

It sure would be nice to have some new faces floating around.

There is absolutely NO WAY that is true.

At all!


Your assignment:

Well then disclose away...:D