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Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 1254987)
Scambo, it was a good read. A friend of mine in the oil business thought we were nuts to buy a refinery that was never "profitable". I don't think he or any other oil guy saw why Delta did the deal and SD does a nice job of explaining it to us. It's all about the crack spread (no FTB we don't need pics).
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1255071)
You "understand" that...? What does that mean?
You're an ALPA waterboy. You have the names and numbers. If the above was truly the case, you would have said so in unequivocal terms. If not... GROW UP |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1255066)
These guys must love to come to work since they are basically doing it Pro Bono! :eek:
Scoop We had some Tristar capts take FE seats hoping age 60 would go away. |
Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 1255070)
Do you also expect hiring to happen this Fall like we were all told in June? Or did that optimistic forecast somehow change already?
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline. Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines. Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1255071)
You "understand" that...? What does that mean?
You're an ALPA waterboy. You have the names and numbers. If the above was truly the case, you would have said so in unequivocal terms. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1255183)
Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline. Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines. Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle. If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.***** |
Originally Posted by texavia
(Post 1254998)
So what Delta and SD are telling us, is that know more about the oil business than the folks that are in it do.
At the end of the day, Delta will have to write the investment in Trainer off. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1255183)
Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan".
I threw a wish in the well and signed at Embry Rid'dle got student loans and the Pell and now I'm on my way I flew in a 182 and a Sem-in-ole Tagged every pilot I know and applied on-line Hey, I just met you and this is crazy I flew an RJ So call me maybe Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors So, here's my number, call me later Your glare was holdin worn pants and epaulets showin crew meals had you blowin where you think your goin baby? Hey, I just met you and this is crazy but I flew an RJ So call me maybe Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors So, here's my number, call me later You want the mil-it-tar-y It's not very PC They go on permanent leave But their in my way They say GoJets doesn't pay I've got student loans today I fly six legs every day So call me maybe Hey, I just met you and this is crazy I flew an RJ So call me maybe |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1255183)
Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline. Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines. Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle. While our hiring is ultimately based on the Network block hour plan, which in turn is affected by the economy, all indications are that the addition of 717s and the opportunity for pilots to take advantage of the Pilot Retirement Medical Account (RMA) early retirement option will accelerate movement across the seniority list and require us to begin hiring earlier than the planned pilot retirements alone would have. If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year. |
Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1255209)
Steve Dickson, June 8:
If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year. Wow ... an airline manager made another hiring promise they did not keep. Call CNN. Lindsey Lohan is more credible on the topic of Quantum Physics than airline management is on hiring. Which reminds me, do you know why Physicists are lousy at sex? Because when they find the position, they can't find the momentum. |
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