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tsquare 09-03-2012 02:54 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1254987)
Scambo, it was a good read. A friend of mine in the oil business thought we were nuts to buy a refinery that was never "profitable". I don't think he or any other oil guy saw why Delta did the deal and SD does a nice job of explaining it to us. It's all about the crack spread (no FTB we don't need pics).

I don't get this kind of thought. I saw the same nonsense from all the talking heads on CNBC when the deal was announced. Anybody that applied any common sense to this would realize that DAL was not gonna run the refinery, but rather own the end product.. which happens to be our largest expense, and is.. control wise.. usually in stick shaker. The move was pure genius. We will get a taste of that hopefully at the end of this month when some of that starts showing up on the bottom line.

tsquare 09-03-2012 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1255071)
You "understand" that...? What does that mean?

You're an ALPA waterboy. You have the names and numbers.
If the above was truly the case, you would have said so in unequivocal terms.

Did you really post that, or did you forget to logoff on a company computer. Please say it was the latter.

If not... GROW UP

Dirtdiver 09-03-2012 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1255066)
These guys must love to come to work since they are basically doing it Pro Bono! :eek:

Scoop

Perhaps they're rolling the bones that age 65 rule will be raised:mad:

We had some Tristar capts take FE seats hoping age 60 would go away.

sailingfun 09-03-2012 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1255070)
Do you also expect hiring to happen this Fall like we were all told in June? Or did that optimistic forecast somehow change already?

Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.

sailingfun 09-03-2012 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1255071)
You "understand" that...? What does that mean?

You're an ALPA waterboy. You have the names and numbers.
If the above was truly the case, you would have said so in unequivocal terms.

I don't work for ALPA in any way shape or form. I am however smart enough to look things up if I want answers. You can view all the retirements both RMA and normal on Delta net.

DLpilot 09-03-2012 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1255183)
Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.

News brief dated June 8 direct quote.

If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.*****

johnso29 09-03-2012 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1254998)
So what Delta and SD are telling us, is that know more about the oil business than the folks that are in it do.

At the end of the day, Delta will have to write the investment in Trainer off.

The same people who told us oil would be $200+ per barrel over 2 years ago? Yeah, my money is on Richard Anderson.

Bucking Bar 09-03-2012 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1255183)
Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan".

Que "Call Me Baby" by Carly Jepesen

I threw a wish in the well
and signed at Embry Rid'dle
got student loans and the Pell
and now I'm on my way

I flew in a 182
and a Sem-in-ole
Tagged every pilot I know
and applied on-line

Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later

Your glare was holdin
worn pants and epaulets showin
crew meals had you blowin
where you think your goin baby?

Hey, I just met you and this is crazy
but I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later

You want the mil-it-tar-y
It's not very PC
They go on permanent leave
But their in my way

They say GoJets doesn't pay
I've got student loans today
I fly six legs every day
So call me maybe

Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe

Jesse 09-03-2012 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1255183)
Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.

Steve Dickson, June 8:

While our hiring is ultimately based on the Network block hour plan, which in turn is affected by the economy, all indications are that the addition of 717s and the opportunity for pilots to take advantage of the Pilot Retirement Medical Account (RMA) early retirement option will accelerate movement across the seniority list and require us to begin hiring earlier than the planned pilot retirements alone would have. If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.

Bucking Bar 09-03-2012 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1255209)
Steve Dickson, June 8:

If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.

... and you believed him?


Wow ... an airline manager made another hiring promise they did not keep. Call CNN. Lindsey Lohan is more credible on the topic of Quantum Physics than airline management is on hiring. Which reminds me, do you know why Physicists are lousy at sex? Because when they find the position, they can't find the momentum.


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