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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1260437)
I promise you I wasn't trying to get him to engage a Sicilian in a battle of wits.
Anybody want peanuts? Carry the pilots agenda forward. Be willing to do the above when the majority position is not yours Defend your pilots without any assumptions in the CPO. Be willing to take the heat to make a difficult call when you cannot share all of the facts, then explain your position as to how you voted and why after the facts are known/after the vote Be transparent as possible with your pilots, and honest when you can't Welcome others opinions and points of view. When they are contrarian to yours, do not be dismissive nor isolate them. (Inclusive nature to our business) As for the minutia on each and every issue, the cheese moves, facts change, and taking a hard line position sets you up to defend your ego/former position or save face when presented with new facts that should change you position. In these situations, seek out direction by providing as many facts without bias to your membership. If the direction comes back different then where you assumed it would, lead by the direction provided to you from your pilots. You cannot make 100% of the pilots in your base happy. Its impossible. When that happens, be honest with them. I had a chance to sit down with my Vice Chair and have an honest discussion with him a few weeks ago. I may disagree on how a vote went, but an educated well thought out decision is all any of us can ask for. I respect his decision, and it was one he did not make lightly. That is all any of us can ask. Hes a great guy that has done really good work for our pilots. I thank him for taking the time to sit down and have a conversation with me, and for having the ability to think critically. |
Originally Posted by orvil
(Post 1260433)
It's a code share. Had an acquaintance just go. She went through Seoul. Took KAL from there. Said it was an easier routing loadwise than NRT.
Would love to go someday. Also, doesn't ASA have a pilot base there? |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1260460)
I could've sworn (without looking it up) that 757s did it out of NRT. I know they used to...
Also, doesn't ASA have a pilot base there? Expressjet(ASA) does not have a base there. SKW owns Air Mekong. ASA pilots were allowed to do 13 month LOA's to go fly there with seniority and longevity restored when they returned, but it is a not a US operation. All of those pilots are on contract with Air Mekong. Also Air Mekong does not have a CS agreement with Skyteam, so they do not feed our flights. They are getting two A321's shortly fwiw. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1260463)
the 757 "used" to. It ended about a year and a half or two years ago. Problem was that the Japanese and the Vietnamese did not want DAL to do the route. Selling O and D tickets was very hard, and the loads suffered. Hence DAL cut it.
Expressjet(ASA) does not have a base there. SKW owns Air Mekong. ASA pilots were allowed to do 13 month LOA's to go fly there with seniority and longevity restored when they returned, but it is a not a US operation. All of those pilots are on contract with Air Mekong. Also Air Mekong does not have a CS agreement with Skyteam, so they do not feed our flights. They are getting two A321's shortly fwiw. http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.ne...s/asia_map.pdf |
So is ACL running for C44 rep?
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Land War in Asia
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1260431)
No. Sorry it came out that way.
I am warning him not to get into a land war in Asia, and not to engage the trinity in a speculative battle on a web board. Memorable Movie Death #3: Vizzini From Princess Bride - YouTube Bar, Great Advice, truly you have a dizzying intellect! Scoop :) |
5 bucks says slowplay never actually answers ftb's questions. Ah, unionoid politics.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1260456)
Its real simple.
Carry the pilots agenda forward. Be willing to do the above when the majority position is not yours Defend your pilots without any assumptions in the CPO. Be willing to take the heat to make a difficult call when you cannot share all of the facts, then explain your position as to how you voted and why after the facts are known/after the vote Be transparent as possible with your pilots, and honest when you can't Welcome others opinions and points of view. When they are contrarian to yours, do not be dismissive nor isolate them. (Inclusive nature to our business) As for the minutia on each and every issue, the cheese moves, facts change, and taking a hard line position sets you up to defend your ego/former position or save face when presented with new facts that should change you position. In these situations, seek out direction by providing as many facts without bias to your membership. If the direction comes back different then where you assumed it would, lead by the direction provided to you from your pilots. You cannot make 100% of the pilots in your base happy. Its impossible. When that happens, be honest with them. I had a chance to sit down with my Vice Chair and have an honest discussion with him a few weeks ago. I may disagree on how a vote went, but an educated well thought out decision is all any of us can ask for. I respect his decision, and it was one he did not make lightly. That is all any of us can ask. Hes a great guy that has done really good work for our pilots. I thank him for taking the time to sit down and have a conversation with me, and for having the ability to think critically. So the emails are true, and there is some ado at the behest of our MEC Admin. Perhaps we may get all of the other candidates here as well and truly spice things up with knowledge. That was well said. |
Looks like all the A's are out if you go in the back door. Still no B's.
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doh, xtreme beat me to it... was busy reading ACL's very good post, and the interesting SEA letter posted by FTB. Yup, A's out...
this forum probably gets a lot more posts on philosophy while we're all sitting around checking for the schedules to come out... |
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