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fisherpilot 09-12-2012 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1259960)
At times we hear about negative experiences that individual pilots have had in dealing with the company during difficult times. Although not appropriate, nor a desire to share personal info in a forum such as this, I feel compelled to share with the DAL pilots who read this forum my personal experiences working with company and ALPA during a difficult family emergency.

As chance would have it my youngest experienced an unfortunate life changing event and will improve and be fine as we proceed into the future. I was overwhelmed (putting it mildly) with the support and concern I received from everyone in the company I had to deal with while my family and I worked through a very difficult time. My Chief pilot, Flt Ops Mgr, ALPA and DAL have been (and continue to be) a great resource, accommodating, supportive and very helpful. I can not thank them enough.

It is important that this perspective gets to see the light of day because we sometimes only get to hear the bad and not enough of the good!

All the best!

Fiig

Will send out prayers for your child and your family. Good to hear of the positive support from DAL

dalad 09-12-2012 04:00 PM

Things are going to get interesting, look south and to the west.

Flamer 09-12-2012 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1259742)
You should post your statement in the scheduling section on the ALPA forum. I suspect you would find much of what you have posted is incorrect. We do have a agreement with the company and a methodology for how many short calls will be assigned in each category. It is often posted in the scheduling section the company is abusing the system and putting pilots on shortcall just because they can. When ALPA checks however it never turns out that way. They are following the guidelines agreed upon almost exactly for total number of short calls. They are allowed to increase the number of shortcalls if a IROPS is expected however audits have shown no abuse by the company using that out. Historically the average pilot on reserve at Delta sits right around 3 short calls per month. It varies with category and time of year but the statement that they simply put guys on shortcall up to the 6 max because they can has never been shown to be even close to correct.

The agreement is called a contract. All I can say about this post is wow.

Elvis90 09-12-2012 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1260004)
Things are going to get interesting, look south and to the west.

????????????? :confused:

Do you mean the strong cold front from New Mexico to Wisconsin?

firstmob 09-12-2012 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1260010)
????????????? :confused:

Do you mean the strong cold front from New Mexico to Wisconsin?

agree what does the orginal post mean or infer?:confused::confused:

gloopy 09-12-2012 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1260004)
Things are going to get interesting, look south and to the west.

OMG! Absolutely!
http://www.weirdwarp.com/wp-content/...wton-Apple.jpg
When you said south I didn't get it, but then I read west and it totally made sense!




Wait, what?
http://saleemveekay.files.wordpress....sed_monkey.jpg

dragon 09-12-2012 05:21 PM

Ok,

How far west? HI? Australia? Are we merging with HAL and Quantas? Is AMR about to be swallowed by LCC? Either way, I agree things are going to be interesting between now and 12/31/12 assuming we make it past 12/21/12!

firstmob 09-12-2012 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1260039)
Ok,

How far west? HI? Australia? Are we merging with HAL and Quantas? Is AMR about to be swallowed by LCC? Either way, I agree things are going to be interesting between now and 12/31/12 assuming we make it past 12/21/12!

Good one!:)

Jesse 09-12-2012 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1259281)
What we have now is very similar to what you described. I like that we can put our preference in for what SCs we would like if we have to have SC; and that if we want SC we can ask for it. As has been mentioned, what really takes away from these improvements is that the schedulers have taken a new tactic of using almost all available pilots for SC once they've assigned open time trips out for the next day. So even when you've done 3 SCs (in bucket 2 for the SC buckets), and have done enough flying to be in the higher RAW bucket than anyone else, and are senior to everyone else you can still expect to get assigned SC because you have a pulse. Just having one day of availability remaining doesn't necessarily mean you're going to escape the long line of SC pilots. What sucks even more, IMHO, is when you've maxed your SCs, and you're in the highest bucket, just finished 4 days of flying and because you can't be assigned SC they give you a trip with 13 hrs notice while a pilot with the same availability is assigned to sit his second SC, and has done less than half the flying you have and is considered untouchable because he's a SC asset for the following day. Crazy system. The schedulers, at least in ATL M88 B, have in effect, negated the benefits of the new reserve system by maxing out SCs. And going to 7 SCs will further undermine it.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1259742)
You should post your statement in the scheduling section on the ALPA forum. I suspect you would find much of what you have posted is incorrect. We do have a agreement with the company and a methodology for how many short calls will be assigned in each category. It is often posted in the scheduling section the company is abusing the system and putting pilots on shortcall just because they can. When ALPA checks however it never turns out that way. They are following the guidelines agreed upon almost exactly for total number of short calls. They are allowed to increase the number of shortcalls if a IROPS is expected however audits have shown no abuse by the company using that out. Historically the average pilot on reserve at Delta sits right around 3 short calls per month. It varies with category and time of year but the statement that they simply put guys on shortcall up to the 6 max because they can has never been shown to be even close to correct.

I think if you've read the real life experiences of many reserve pilots on this thread you'd have to agree that most of what I wrote is irrefutably true. Have you sat reserve since the new system went into effect, and thus speak from experience? If you have, maybe your category works out differently, which is good for you. Unfortunately, that's not the case for ATL M88 A & B. There are probably others that experience similar results. As for the schedulers putting pilots on SC just because they can; well, that is just my opinion, and I have no proof of it. But again, it's not against the PWA for them to do exactly that. And maybe it's been taken down a notch from the summer months. I don't know; I got a line for Sep so hopefully they're not going crazy on the overkill of SC like they were since the third week of June. From your response to my post I get the impression that it offends you that I should point out something DALPA instituted isn't as great as it was supposed to be in theory. Just my impression....could be wrong.

DogWhisperer 09-12-2012 05:33 PM

Glad I live in DFW....


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