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alfaromeo 09-12-2012 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by SierraWhiskey (Post 1259163)
So do we bid this month to slide vacation in November? Or is it next month?

If you want to move a vacation beyond the current bid month you use the vacation move up function in iCrew under VTS. If you haven't gotten your move up, then use the vacation slide function to try to move it in the current bid month.

Fly782 09-12-2012 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1259605)
Haven't heard much out of that guy lately. Does he still work for DCI?

I believe so and as a DFW commuter it looks like he'll be quite happy with XJT/Skywests new announcement.

sailingfun 09-12-2012 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1259281)
What we have now is very similar to what you described. I like that we can put our preference in for what SCs we would like if we have to have SC; and that if we want SC we can ask for it. As has been mentioned, what really takes away from these improvements is that the schedulers have taken a new tactic of using almost all available pilots for SC once they've assigned open time trips out for the next day. So even when you've done 3 SCs (in bucket 2 for the SC buckets), and have done enough flying to be in the higher RAW bucket than anyone else, and are senior to everyone else you can still expect to get assigned SC because you have a pulse. Just having one day of availability remaining doesn't necessarily mean you're going to escape the long line of SC pilots. What sucks even more, IMHO, is when you've maxed your SCs, and you're in the highest bucket, just finished 4 days of flying and because you can't be assigned SC they give you a trip with 13 hrs notice while a pilot with the same availability is assigned to sit his second SC, and has done less than half the flying you have and is considered untouchable because he's a SC asset for the following day. Crazy system. The schedulers, at least in ATL M88 B, have in effect, negated the benefits of the new reserve system by maxing out SCs. And going to 7 SCs will further undermine it.

You should post your statement in the scheduling section on the ALPA forum. I suspect you would find much of what you have posted is incorrect. We do have a agreement with the company and a methodology for how many short calls will be assigned in each category. It is often posted in the scheduling section the company is abusing the system and putting pilots on shortcall just because they can. When ALPA checks however it never turns out that way. They are following the guidelines agreed upon almost exactly for total number of short calls. They are allowed to increase the number of shortcalls if a IROPS is expected however audits have shown no abuse by the company using that out. Historically the average pilot on reserve at Delta sits right around 3 short calls per month. It varies with category and time of year but the statement that they simply put guys on shortcall up to the 6 max because they can has never been shown to be even close to correct.

rvr350 09-12-2012 08:18 AM

I guess mgmt was being nice and considerate for the past few years, and now they're finally adhering to the contract to the T;)

dalad 09-12-2012 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1259742)
You should post your statement in the scheduling section on the ALPA forum. I suspect you would find much of what you have posted is incorrect. We do have a agreement with the company and a methodology for how many short calls will be assigned in each category. It is often posted in the scheduling section the company is abusing the system and putting pilots on shortcall just because they can. When ALPA checks however it never turns out that way. They are following the guidelines agreed upon almost exactly for total number of short calls. They are allowed to increase the number of shortcalls if a IROPS is expected however audits have shown no abuse by the company using that out. Historically the average pilot on reserve at Delta sits right around 3 short calls per month. It varies with category and time of year but the statement that they simply put guys on shortcall up to the 6 max because they can has never been shown to be even close to correct.

If they can give you 6 shortcalls per the contract, then expect 6 short calls, period. I never bid a position that puts me one reserve anyway. Now, I know that those in the bottom third do not have a choice in the matter. When I was a new hire I knew that I was expected to sit short call after days off, and at 3 other tomes per month. Just ask some of the real old guys, probably mostly retired now, about short call. In the old days you were on short call every day.

TeddyKGB 09-12-2012 08:45 AM

So what happens after you sit your 3 SC periods? I'm confused as to why that doesn't allow you to be left on LC as long as there are others who have less than 3 SC's?

The Cavalier 09-12-2012 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1259776)
So what happens after you sit your 3 SC periods? I'm confused as to why that doesn't allow you to be left on LC as long as there are others who have less than 3 SC's?

Depends on which days of availability bucket scheduling decides to select SC's from. The bucket system applies within a days of availability group not available reserves as a whole. We could fight this but the result would be more guys sitting SC on their last day of availability...no thanks.

I'm pretty much the bottom of the barrel in a large category and have seen no SC abuse. In fact I find the new system very predictable and a vast improvement over the old random assignments that we used to get. Now don't get me started on the new raw bucket system for trip assignments.

forgot to bid 09-12-2012 10:24 AM

It'd be nice if the reserve availability list had another selection that said... Next Pilots For 4-Day Trips: and then listed the names and maybe any limits like max hours the trip can be worth in case there is some 30/7 limit or what have you.

Same with SC, Next Pilots For SC:....

Not the availability list but rather who is up next especially with SC.

Just a thought. And to be honest, even if it was a brilliant thought and they said "LET'S DO IT!" it'd be like a year or so before IT would get to it. :(

Doug Masters 09-12-2012 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1259835)

Just a thought. And to be honest, even if it was a brilliant thought and they said "LET'S DO IT!" it'd be like a year or so before IT would get to it. :(

Its only brilliant if the company thinks of it first.

TeddyKGB 09-12-2012 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1259835)
It'd be nice if the reserve availability list had another selection that said... Next Pilots For 4-Day Trips: and then listed the names and maybe any limits like max hours the trip can be worth in case there is some 30/7 limit or what have you.

Same with SC, Next Pilots For SC:....

Not the availability list but rather who is up next especially with SC.

Just a thought. And to be honest, even if it was a brilliant thought and they said "LET'S DO IT!" it'd be like a year or so before IT would get to it. :(

Then people could quit viewing my schedule. It doesn't bother me but I was intrigued that 6 people in my category viewed my schedule last month.


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