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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1254597)
Could one of you whiz kids (ie, FTB, Clamp, Bar) pull up the flight track of DAL 2209 from MSP-SFO last night? You wouldn't believe the route we took at 1:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1254597)
Could one of you whiz kids (ie, FTB, Clamp, Bar) pull up the flight track of DAL 2209 from MSP-SFO last night? You wouldn't believe the route we took at 1:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by Guntrain11
(Post 1254604)
Does Nevada not accept California's IOU's?:D
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Originally Posted by Herman
(Post 1254495)
Sorry for a drift here guys, but this has been buggin me. Obama did not return the salute given to him by his Marine guard plane side (at the helocopter) yesterday. What is the protocol for the President, and if a return is not required, shouldn't it be offered as a signal of courtesy and respect for the USMC? Cheers...H
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1254303)
FTB,
Good discussion and you bring up many good points. All of which however, have valid counterpoints. To answer you question above - my answer remains the same: I would rather have a system that gives the best QOL to the most pilots. So why stop at the reserve Pilots - why not spread QOL out amongst all pilots. When I bid a line every Pilot above me is awarded at least three rotations before I can pick my first. Extrapolating your logic to lineholders, why not every pilot pick a single rotation in seniority order, then when every line-holder has his "Primary" rotation you go back and the most senior Pilot picks his second rotation and so down the seniority list until all the line-holders are finished? Wouldn't this also be a way of ensuring that the top 70% of line-holders get a better QOL than just the first 1/3 getting great lines, the second 1/3 doing OK and the bottom 1/3 getting the scraps? Like I say, you bring up many good points but one Pilots scheduling improvement is often another Pilots scheduling degradation. The current system is a result of numerous adjustments over the years some changes increasing the power of seniority other changes decreasing it. The only thing that remains the same is that as soon as the changes are implemented the group that perceives themselves to be harmed by the new rules gets mad as Hell. I have no doubt this refinement process will continue, and it should, but it should be based on the analysis of a substantial amount of hard data covering all the domiciles and all the equipment. Scoop :) you also can only bid days off, you cannot select trips. that is a major difference. now if you want to apply the same bucket system to lines then what you do is pay ALV no matter how little you work in seniority order. Top pilots can bid 0 if they so chose and will be paid ALV. Everyone gets ALV except those who fly above. Ideally 5 maybe 10% fly 0, 10-15% fly 30, 15-20% fly 45, 20 and on fly ALV. now, it would be too my advantage to not push for lower raw thresholds etc. however, it only benefits me if for right now. but i have no intention of staying 88B for the next 35 years. fwiw there is a fix to this and i believe the company will implement it. i seriously doubt they want to pay reserve pilots ALV for only flying 0-20 hours a month on 3 or so days of work. the simple fix is reduce the number of pilots on reserve, award more lines at the bare minimum hours. makes the discussion a moo point, but for anyone sitting senior reserve in the old system and new, QOL did not change on lc, it did on sc right up until they went to putting almost every pilot on sc every day. theyll be happy when they have 7 sc's to work with. i think this is why the union pushes back on lowering the first bucket. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1254610)
scoop, there is a big difference between reg and reserve. Regular pays what you fly, fly 0, get paid 0. Fly 72 get paid 72. Reserve pays 72ish regardless of whether you fly 0 or 72, unless you fly more.
you also can only bid days off, you cannot select trips. that is a major difference. now if you want to apply the same bucket system to lines then what you do is pay ALV no matter how little you work in seniority order. Top pilots can bid 0 if they so chose and will be paid ALV. Everyone gets ALV except those who fly above. Ideally 5 maybe 10% fly 0, 10-15% fly 30, 15-20% fly 45, 20 and on fly ALV. now there is a fix to this and i believe the company will implement it. i seriously doubt they want to pay reserve pilots for only flying 0-20 hours a month on 3 or so days of work. the simple fix is reduce the number of pilots on reserve, award more lines at the bare minimum hours. makes the discussion a moo point, but for anyone sitting senior reserve in the old system and new, QOL did not change on lc, it did on sc right up until they went to putting almost every pilot on sc every day. theyll be happy when they have 7 sc's to work with. I dont think the company is going to implement what you mentioned. They limit Reduced lower limit lines to a certain seniority percentage in category - thereby requiring more reserves. This was changed in the new contract. Additionally an "unblockable" pilot can request a RLL or be subject to being on call. The new change neither helps the company nor the junior in category - and frankly I dont understand who asked for it for this reason. |
Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1254579)
When I came back I was right at the limit, including periods that were exempt. I had all my documentation available to make sure they couldn't refuse my request for re-employment. When I made the request, no one even asked the question. I wouldn't count on them ignoring it, but in my case they didn't seem to really care how long I had been gone. I did get some retirement money when I got back. Don't remember exactly how much, but I do remember it was a lot less than I'd hoped it would be. Oh, and after 7 years on either furlough or mil leave, the only thing I could hold a line on was the same seat I left from.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1254619)
You should have received what the NWA contract specified for retirement. As a bottom feeder there I think you got a higher percentage of DC money but I don't know much about the NW DC plan. You should however check and make sure it was done correctly.
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Originally Posted by FedElta
(Post 1254521)
hey Guys,
One of my non-dependent kids just traveled Atl/Sea on a 3B yield fare , round trip. She missed the return leg, and when I went to the travelnet to re-book her return leg, The entire record locator had been removed. I had to pay another yield fare to book her return leg, and I can find NO way to apply for a refund on the original return leg. I have been to the travel history page, and everywhere else I can think of....no luck. ESC is closed on the weekend.......any ideas, or info would be appreciated . Thanks, BG |
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