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Superdad 09-11-2012 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by rvr350 (Post 1259229)
The 7th SC we gave away is gonna bite us in the rear big time.


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forgot to bid 09-11-2012 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1259215)
Just sent this to Council 66 Rep, if you are in a category in a similar situation...take some action. Perhaps this can be addressed in the FTDT negotions???

Xxxxx,


Any idea why scheduling is now assigning up to 10 s/c's a day? Tomorrow is a prime example, there is nothing in open time until the 14th, no weather or IROPS.....basically no reason other than they CAN.

All summer long, in the peak of the flying block hours there were typically 4-6 s/c's assigned a day, with plenty of l/c's available as well. Now here it is a month later, a 12% reduction in block hours and they RAISE the number of s/c's by 50%.

Is there some mechanism or formula to calculate s/c's required? If not, there needs to be and should be included in the up-comming negotions for FTDT limits.

We made GREAT strides in RSV QOL in the contract, but there ARE some loopholes that need to be addressed. This is one of those! There is NO reason why 10 guys/gals a day should have to commute to NYC to sit in a hotel or crashpad for 24 hrs, just because scheduling CAN do it. It is abuse, plain and simple.


Thanks for looking into this,


Xxxx,
NYC ERb

Right now the NYC7ER Targeted Short Call Start Times shows the target number of SCs for FOs as 9.

Heck there's 10 targeted for ATL M88 B tomorrow.

Now as to why we've kicked SCs into high gear, it'd be fun to hypothesize. I've got 1 more SC and I'm done for the month. Within 1 calendar week I'd used 3.

Jesse 09-11-2012 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1259235)
Right now the NYC7ER Targeted Short Call Start Times shows the target number of SCs for FOs as 9.

Heck there's 10 targeted for ATL M88 B tomorrow.

Now as to why we've kicked SCs into high gear, it'd be fun to hypothesize. I've got 1 more SC and I'm done for the month. Within 1 calendar week I'd used 3.

If I recall correctly I saw ATL M88 B schedulers put 12 pilots on SC with 1 day availability not long ago. I went back and checked the next day and not one of them were called out. They do it because they can.

forgot to bid 09-11-2012 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1259239)
If I recall correctly I saw ATL M88 B schedulers put 12 pilots on SC with 1 day availability not long ago. I went back and checked the next day and not one of them were called out. They do it because they can.

Don't get me wrong, they absolutely do it because they can. I 100% agree. Frustrating? Yes. Annoying? Yes.

As a friend said, long call is gone. You either fly or sit SC and they hit a home run when they can give you SC and then you plan your next day around that only to have it taken away and given a trip before the SC would've counted.

I think in July I was acknowledged like 10 or so SCs. Not all of them could I keep.

forgot to bid 09-11-2012 10:01 AM


Timbo 09-11-2012 10:08 AM

Back in the stone ages, when we had bid sheets and a slightly different reserve system, your first day on call was always a short call day. I liked it because you could plan around it, you knew you were definately going to be on SC those days.

In addition to those SC days, they could put you on SC a few more per month, up to 6 total. If you were a commuter, you would call them ahead and tell them you were going to be in base for that first day, and ask them to put you on SC for the following day, so you wouldn't have to make too many trips to base.

I haven't had to sit reserve under the PBS system, but what do you guys think about going back to that 'first day on call is always SC' type system?

Or perhaps being able to bid all your SC days, just like bidding X days?

Elvis90 09-11-2012 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1259248)
Back in the stone ages, when we had bid sheets and a slightly different reserve system, your first day on call was always a short call day. I liked it because you could plan around it, you knew you were definately going to be on SC those days.

In addition to those SC days, they could also assign you a few more per month, up to 6 total. If you were a commuter, you would call them ahead and tell them you were going to be in base for that first day, and ask them to put you on SC for the following day, so you wouldn't have to make too many trips to base.

I haven't had to sit reserve under the PBS system, but what do you guys think about going back to that 'first day on call is always SC' type system?

Or perhaps being able to bid all your SC days, just like bidding X days?

When I was MSP based, particularly in the winter months, I would bid continuous short calls until reaching 6, then I'd go home. In ATL I'd usually be assigned a long-call trip around 10 AM the day prior.

The random nature of SC assignments, quantities and requirements continues to astound me.

shiznit 09-11-2012 10:14 AM

Anyone know how to tell if a 744 has been through the mod line and has the lie-flat seats yet?

Thanks.

XtremeF150 09-11-2012 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1259248)
Back in the stone ages, when we had bid sheets and a slightly different reserve system, your first day on call was always a short call day. I liked it because you could plan around it, you knew you were definately going to be on SC those days.

In addition to those SC days, they could put you on SC a few more per month, up to 6 total. If you were a commuter, you would call them ahead and tell them you were going to be in base for that first day, and ask them to put you on SC for the following day, so you wouldn't have to make too many trips to base.

I haven't had to sit reserve under the PBS system, but what do you guys think about going back to that 'first day on call is always SC' type system?

Or perhaps being able to bid all your SC days, just like bidding X days?

I would definitely like to see a system where we can bid on SC's or at least one where they actually respect the request given in Icrew. I don't bother placing those request anymore because when I want one I don't get it and vice versa. Simply stated I would just like to have a chart or list of who is next to go so we have some accountability. I don't like being at the whim of those behind the keyboard.

80ktsClamp 09-11-2012 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1259252)
Anyone know how to tell if a 744 has been through the mod line and has the lie-flat seats yet?

Thanks.

The modded planes hold fewer seats total than the unmodded ones.

Unmodded planes hold 393 and modded hold 376.

I think that would be a pretty big giveaway.


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