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Bucking Bar 09-10-2012 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1258626)
Damnit 80. I pay him $100 a month to bash the 88. And frankly, he's about to get fired. Nobody is moving off.

Well, I hope I'm paying him a $100. It is an anonymous board and I just put the money in the V-File I thought was his.

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The random risk / reward and small electric shocks seem to all point to the same objective findings on which to base the pathological diagnosis.

Bucking Bar 09-10-2012 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1258629)
... I can just sense Bar sees an opening.

Or a properly sized emergency egress point for a Douglas product.

forgot to bid 09-10-2012 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1258630)

I don't care what that link says. This is different.

Any of the issues with the 88 are not the 88's fault, it's simply because we demand too much from it. If I just get up and leave the 88 then it will make it look like I couldn't make it work and everyone will know it. And it'd cost me in seniority. It's too expensive to leave.

Besides, all the things I do to make this work will just follow me to my next airplane and mess that all up. Or the next airplane could turn out to be even worse. Why take that risk? I have an airplane to fly, a lot of people can't say that you know. Sure, a bigger airplane might be fun but I don't deserve it, I'm too ugly. I sinned. I really think things are turning around. The stuff that happened on the last couple of trips, they won't happen again. It's so easy to land. That's a sign. Things are better.

So take your link and shove it, I'm just fine. Couldn't be better anywhere else. Just stop staring at the sweat and ASAPs. Okay? It's none of your business. So go mind your own business.

Bucking Bar 09-10-2012 04:42 AM

LOL post of the morning!

scambo1 09-10-2012 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1258611)
Well your scenario is a little unpredictable for a few reasons.....
First, you need a DD-214 (out of the military) to get hired in the first place.
Second, you would need the reserves to go from undermanned to wartime quickly thereby offering you the option to go back to active duty after joining the reserves.
Third, said when was the last time anyone at DAL could "hold the left seat on anything" after 5 years?
So getting out of the active duty with 5 years to go just to get hired and go back to the military is a tenuous proposition to say the least.
Most were Furloughed and scrambled for a few years just to try to find a niche that they may be able to return to active duty, far from a planned evolution.
LUV

My opinion as a reserve "retiree": Let DAL do their thing and let the chips fall where they may.

If there are abusers (and I'm sure there are some), let them deal with the ramifications of their actions. There are certainly some gray areas in the rules - or at least there have been in the past.

It seems to me that all of DAL's recent press releases to us about all the mil stuff is for a reason. Personally, I don't think it is good mojo to aid or abet a witchhunt regardless of how I may feel on the topic. This is especially true since it is apparent that the rules or their interpretation are changing.

XtremeF150 09-10-2012 04:52 AM

So looking through the bid packet my interpretation is that if the ALV is below 75 and your category RSV is +20% then it is 15 days off on RSV?
Is everyone else understanding that the same way?

johnso29 09-10-2012 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1258637)
So looking through the bid packet my interpretation is that if the ALV is below 75 and your category RSV is +20% then it is 15 days off on RSV?
Is everyone else understanding that the same way?

Yes. That's exactly how I interpret it. :)

sailingfun 09-10-2012 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1258540)
While the service may be honorable sometimes the behaviors exhibited aren't, especially toward their civilian employers and co-workers.

We've had a couple of ARTs resign in lieu of firing for being on "MLOA." ART is a full time job that doesn't qualify for MLOA.

We've had several officers on Mil Leave from 2 employers (one of whom required seniority resignation to get a job) try to participate in bankruptcy and merger distributions. I'm not sure if they kept either job...I know they lost the one here. These "events" aren't Delta specific; there were also instances of which I'm personally aware at NWA, FedEx and SWA. I'm sure other employers have similar issues as well.

I'm all for USERRA and support the law and its intent 100%. But it saddens/sickens me when folks abuse the law for personal gain. I believe it was way past time for Delta to set a standard and consistently enforce it for all our military members and for those that are still actively working here. The military guys shouldn't be guessing if they're legal or not, and the rules shouldn't be enforced based on "who they know" for the rest of us that are ensuring they have a job to come back to.


I stated it was rumor only but it only takes one complaint to force action on the part of the company. Someone could follow up with a lawsuit. You are allowed 5 years of military leave on non exempt orders. Most mil leaves over the last few years have at least some of that time period on exempt orders. Personally I think any set of orders where its not voluntary should be exempt. I know some reservists for instance who were ordered to active duty when the did not want those orders. There is a decent sized group furloughed after 911 who had 10 to 12 years of active service prior. They are mostly now coming back since they have their 20 and the companies new program will have little effect on them unless the company demands orders showing status on their return. Many of these pilots begged to get any job keeping them on active duty rather then come back to Delta. I don't blame them and would have done the same thing. The benefits are enormous. You get a immediate retirement check and you are also made whole on retirement from Delta. Now if your a junior pilot who worked for Delta the last 12 years and finallly about to see some movement and 250 retiring military guys show up ahead of you you might not feel the same.
Mil leave as mentioned in the above post is certainly abused and abused more then many know. I saw it all the time before I retired. A pilot would go into a closed squadron to do a few hours of paperwork on 24 Dec to drop his 4 day trip over Christmas. I know one ER pilot in JFK back when the shortest trip we had was a 3 day who bid lines with 5 day blocks on call and put a Mil Leave day in the middle of every 5 day block. He then GS's like crazy on his scheduled off days. He did that for years. I even know one pilot who got hired while still on active duty then claimed he was recalled and departed after doing 3 weeks of ground school. He was actually on regular leave. He was a smart man who is very well situated today.
I have seen dozens of other mil leave scams. Its kind of sad because it eventually makes it more difficult for those who are serving their country and applying the mil leave rules as intended. Its not a easy life working for Delta and flying for a high tempo reserve squadron. Most of the abusers I saw were in very easy reserve jobs where their participation was when they wanted to schedule a drill and they only worked a few days a month. The guys in squadrons or billets demanding 8 to 10 days a month or more seemed to follow the intent of the rules.
It appears from SD letter that Delta is going to enforce the non exempt ruling only going forward so its really not likely to have much effect. I doubt the circumstances of the last 12 years will ever repeat themselves again and it simply wont be a issue.

capncrunch 09-10-2012 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1258642)
Yes. That's exactly how I interpret it. :)

How do we find out if we're above 20%?

iaflyer 09-10-2012 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1258645)
How do we find out if we're above 20%?

There is a chart in the bid packages, maybe 5-10 pages in, listing each category and position and whether there is an extra X day or not.


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