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DeadHead 09-09-2012 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1258501)
Rumor only but I heard there have been complaints by junior pilots that a lot of the pilots out on long term Mil leave are not on exempt orders but staying out on a volunteer basis to get there 20 years in. Some have felt they are coming back on the list above them when they are not entitled to that under federal law.

Rumor only, but I heard that m88 pilots have been complaining about gigantism from prolonged periods of time on the flight deck.

CVG767A 09-09-2012 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1258510)
Mrs. Howell! :D

Soooo wrong. Just so wrong...

tsquare 09-09-2012 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1258516)
Soooo wrong. Just so wrong...

Cut him a little slack. He DOES fly the 777...


perspective.

80ktsClamp 09-09-2012 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1258509)
As a very junior pilot I find that very hard to believe.

Well, one junior guy had the balls to sue on the order of the #SSN for the newhire classes back in later 2007... and another one did similar in 2000 or so causing us to go to the #SSN in the first place.

Never underestimate someone rattling the cage.

I've never really thought about it, but now that I am at this moment... deep down, I guess I do feel it is a bit disingenuous for someone to take the seniority slot and then take advantage of leave and get their 20 years, and then reap the seniority benefits of a job they've barely worked. (this only is pointed at the extreme examples)

It needs to be said that regardless their service is honorable.

buzzpat 09-09-2012 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1258501)
Rumor only but I heard there have been complaints by junior pilots that a lot of the pilots out on long term Mil leave are not on exempt orders but staying out on a volunteer basis to get there 20 years in. Some have felt they are coming back on the list above them when they are not entitled to that under federal law.

Like you? Nice rumor.....

chuck416 09-09-2012 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1258518)
Well, one junior guy had the balls to sue on the order of the #SSN for the newhire classes back in later 2007... and another one did similar in 2000 or so causing us to go to the #SSN in the first place.

Never underestimate someone rattling the cage.

I've never really thought about it, but now that I am at this moment... deep down, I guess I do feel it is a bit disingenuous for someone to take the seniority slot and then take advantage of leave and get their 20 years, and then reap the seniority benefits of a job they've barely worked. (this only is pointed at the extreme examples)

It needs to be said that regardless their service is honorable.

You make a couple of good points. If a guy is out on MILLEV, and just doing what he's been called out to do, I'm all for him keeping his place in line, so to speak. The way the rules are written, leaves it so open to abuse kind of makes it untenable.....guy get the interview, hired on, and never intending to fly till he's actually out of the mil. and secured a retirement, then comes back--bam--left seat on whatever he can hold. Maybe I'm missing something...

Bucking Bar 09-09-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1258501)
Rumor only but I heard there have been complaints by junior pilots that a lot of the pilots out on long term Mil leave are not on exempt orders but staying out on a volunteer basis to get there 20 years in. Some have felt they are coming back on the list above them when they are not entitled to that under federal law.

Rumor only, but I heard management thinks there has been pilots playing the volunteer Uncle Sugar leapfrog the longevity game. A 12 year pilot can cost 300% more than a new hire.

Aren't rumors fun?

Point of fact: The junior pilot does not have a choice in the matter, but like most things around here, serves as an excellent scarecrow for what somebody further up the food chain wants. In this case, there may be a sympathetic resonance from several sources.

slowplay 09-09-2012 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1258518)
I've never really thought about it, but now that I am at this moment... deep down, I guess I do feel it is a bit disingenuous for someone to take the seniority slot and then take advantage of leave and get their 20 years, and then reap the seniority benefits of a job they've barely worked. (this only is pointed at the extreme examples)

It needs to be said that regardless their service is honorable.

While the service may be honorable sometimes the behaviors exhibited aren't, especially toward their civilian employers and co-workers.

We've had a couple of ARTs resign in lieu of firing for being on "MLOA." ART is a full time job that doesn't qualify for MLOA.

We've had several officers on Mil Leave from 2 employers (one of whom required seniority resignation to get a job) try to participate in bankruptcy and merger distributions. I'm not sure if they kept either job...I know they lost the one here. These "events" aren't Delta specific; there were also instances of which I'm personally aware at NWA, FedEx and SWA. I'm sure other employers have similar issues as well.

I'm all for USERRA and support the law and its intent 100%. But it saddens/sickens me when folks abuse the law for personal gain. I believe it was way past time for Delta to set a standard and consistently enforce it for all our military members and for those that are still actively working here. The military guys shouldn't be guessing if they're legal or not, and the rules shouldn't be enforced based on "who they know" for the rest of us that are ensuring they have a job to come back to.

Timbo 09-09-2012 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1258517)
Cut him a little slack. He DOES fly the 777...


perspective.

Thank you Hurricane, for your support!

After some of the Grannies I've been flying with, well, Mrs. Howell would be a Young Hottie! :D

And I don't want to hear any crap from you DC9 kids, until you've had a 'gummer' you have not lived!

johnso29 09-09-2012 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1258509)
As a very junior pilot I find that very hard to believe.

You have to remember, we have junior pilots that were hired in 2000.


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