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sailingfun 07-06-2012 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1225331)
It should work out pretty well. Bring on the 717s and park 9s, 88s, 757s, etc all at the same time. No hiring required, and still get the new 76ers.


Some people go through life thinking the glass is half empty, some think its half full. Most of the Delta pilots on this board think its cracked and leaking!
You wonder why they don't have some self respect and vote with their feet if they honestly believe things are so bad!

sailingfun 07-06-2012 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1225301)
Takes 75.49 today to equal 36 in 1986, not really the near triple you make it out to be and with today's taxes, after tax is likely a wash.

Back then you could only get 75 hours a month in pay. Any flying above that rolled to next month. The point however was that pay rates the first few years have enjoyed a far greater rise then the rest of the rates. Dramatically higher infact.

sailingfun 07-06-2012 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1225256)
wait, you mean the first AE after our marvelous shiny new TA will be a negative one? How can that be?

Let's see how DALPA spins this.

Dalpa does not have to spin it because its not true like most posts on this forum. What they actually stated was that they might need to MOVE some 777 flying to DTW from ATL to reduce deadheading.

sailingfun 07-06-2012 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1225261)
There's nothing to decipher when we lose higher paying positions to lower paying positions.

You really need to read your contract. You might even learn something.

acl65pilot 07-06-2012 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1225268)
LAX 777? They currently have a daily NRT and SYD flight....maybe?

Maybe when we take Auckland from V Australia :D

Elvis90 07-06-2012 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1225316)
Those that have been through a few contracts here know that we have improved pay for new hires at a greater rate than for the rest of the pilot group. Remember $1800/ month probation pay? One year probation period? Seven year B-scale?

Regarding "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine": No, we didn't get ours. New hires now get a much better deal than we got, and it's because of improvements DALPA has negotiated, and the pilots have ratified.

I do agree that our first year pay beginning 1 Jan 13 has set the bar for everyone else. Along with the higher reserve guarantee, that's a pretty good deal as a new hire. Training pay goes up to $3,665 on 1 Jan 13 as well.

acl65pilot 07-06-2012 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1225278)
Flag on the field though.

We have 12,000 or so of the best of the best, most talented aviators in the world, etc. Don't tell me we can't find 50 or so of OUR pilots to fly those planes. Giving those up was one of the most reprehensible things in the TA by far.

Instead we permanently give those jets up to a non union pilot group at an internal company that won't hire DL pilots on furlough unless they resign.

Roughing the profession, 15 yards, repeat third down.


Not going to argue the message allowing jets to be operated that we filed a grievance over, but those jets are not owned by DAL. They are managed by DPJ and the pilots are from the owners flight department. Like most DPJ pilots they are employed by the owner of the jet and the utilized though the aircraft management part of DPJ. DPJ has pilots and aircraft, make no mistake about that, but it is not the majority of what they manage.

Kind of a quagmire.

Some say its a win because we limit them to five jets, many say its a loss because the company agreed to cease and desist, and now they are codified in the PWA.

Water over the dam either way.

Elvis90 07-06-2012 03:50 AM

Anyone else prefer Goodreader to Airwatch? Putting in a password all the time is a nuisance, and only being able to open one document at a time isn't helpful. Plus it takes several seconds to "decipher" a document once you try to open it. Other than that, I'm glad the company has moved in this direction.

acl65pilot 07-06-2012 03:50 AM

Does it say anywhere in the PWA that the pilot has to pay for their lodging in training? Is it a corporate policy? What type of employee is a new hire pilot considered by the company until they get off training pay? What dept number are the associated with, and is that a Flight Operations Operational Pilot dept?

Look beyond the PWA for these answers.

Elvis90 07-06-2012 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1225433)
Does it say anywhere in the PWA that the pilot has to pay for their lodging in training? Is it a corporate policy? What type of employee is a new hire pilot considered by the company until they get off training pay? What dept number are the associated with, and is that a Flight Operations Operational Pilot dept?

Look beyond the PWA for these answers.

It's in the definition of "Entry Level Pilot" who has not completed any OE. Under the Lodging section, pilots' lodging expenses are covered, but not Entry Level Pilots. It's the same language in the new PWA.


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