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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1225163)
Sometimes you get a bit excited and boom goes the dynamite in 30 seconds.
.... and man those 30 seconds were AMAZING.
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1225276)
Actually the AE is confirmed per the Crew Planning News email sent out today. But they're not fat on the 777. They're so short in DTW they're having to DH crews from ATL. So maybe they'll shift some positions on it. But that could still mean backwards movement in ATL.
Originally Posted by Elvis90
(Post 1225296)
It's the Golden Rule...do unto others as you would have them...etc. When they're going through initial training they're still Delta pilots on the Delta seniority list. Just because you or I got treated like crap doesn't justify continuing the cycle. The new hire coordinator, BB, initially thought those costs were covered, then was embarrassed to point out several days later that it wasn't, and it's a cheap thing to do to cash-strapped folks who are already dipping into investments due to pay cuts from training pay and first year pay.
New hires don't get to vote on contracts, so they don't get a say in how they should get treated. It behooves us to vote to treat them like family, not someone to take advantage of. I am willing to negotiate for it. I was at the senior level in the military chain and I did not have the attitude of "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine". I did not ask my righteous self, "what was I thinking?" What's funny, I remember being one of the first new hire groups at Coex that didn't pay for training and we got our hotels paid for. Guys were ****ed! I guess they still wanted PFT? Anyways, when I was instructing in college the University had a policy that said undergrad = undergrad so we cannot pay an undergrad CFI teaching students to fly anymore than we pay the undergrad hungover putting books up at the library... on the wrong shelves. So minimum wage it was for several years. Now they're multiple multiple times higher, which begs the question, should I be happy they fixed that or mad that they fixed that? I'm going with happy. FTB Slept next to his wife every night during training. :D |
Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
(Post 1225323)
We are the only legacy carrier that requires new hires to pay their own way during training as far as I know. In fact, most of the Regionals provide lodging to their new hires. Maybe back in your day it was the norm to expect guys to pay their own way, but we are way behind the rest of the industry in this. Yes, I as a line pilot would be more than willing to give a little so that our new hires (not Plebes... This is a business, not a service academy) don't have to suffer an additional financial hardship before coming to work on first year wages.
Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
(Post 1225323)
To me, this just makes Delta look cheap and corporate. To you, apparently, it's a rite of passage to become a Delta Plebe..err.. I mean new hire. Long gone are the days where pilots would do anything..everything...just to be a Delta pilot. There's plenty of other attractive offers out there, and this nickel and dime BS just makes us look less attractive to good, solid applicants.
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
(Post 1225323)
We are the only legacy carrier that requires new hires to pay their own way during training as far as I know.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1225111)
Next AE in AUG. No B717 category on the next AE. They'll wait for the following AE to get the 365 day bid to close the DC9 bases while opening the B717.
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
(Post 1225331)
It should work out pretty well. Bring on the 717s and park 9s, 88s, 757s, etc all at the same time. No hiring required, and still get the new 76ers.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1225335)
Can you get me the winning powerball numbers too? :D
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 1225317)
Heyas Elvis,
I bet these same guys squawked about paying the assessment for the COBRA payments for the furloughed guys. Nu You're wrong. |
Originally Posted by More Bacon
(Post 1225261)
There's nothing to decipher when we lose higher paying positions to lower paying positions.
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Originally Posted by dalad http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif You want to spend negotiating capital on where new hires get to live while in training? I made 1500 a month for the first six months before going to 25 bucks an hour. Then we got to graduate to the b scale. Sorry, no for me. My first year I ate through savings to support my family, now new hires are getting over 60 an hour.
Originally Posted by Raging white
(Post 1225253)
Dude, this is the most blatant example of pulling up the ladder behind you I've ever seen. Holy crap
I think he is saying (and I agree with him) that we have improved the lives of new hires quite a bit , much better pay, no B scale, etc. Yes it would be great to get some more improvements for new hires but it would also be great to get some more improvements for all of us. The best thing we can do for new hires - is make some! Scoop :) |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1225271)
I've received several publications stating when the new sick policy goes into effect. Try actually reading what they send you. ;)
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