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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1258072)
Hyperbole?
You be the judge.......:D Way to go Clem(p)son. 61 yd field goal. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1258031)
Still would like an answer on why not to allow the pilots to vote in the MEC Chair?
I provided an example of a dysfunctional union structure, and that is APA. They have member election of their national officers and domicile election of their Locals which make up the APA Board of Directors. As such, the National Officers have a very limited check/balance with their Board. When Lloyd Hill was elected APA president he was pushing for a 52% payraise. His opponent wanted 35%. The election became over who could pander the most. APA pilots elected Hill and they got nothing. The APA Board had limited power to correct Hill's direction because he was popularly elected. They have had a history of National/Board dysfunction due to this structure. Our structure is different. The MEC Chair works for the MEC (the elected LEC officers). He is wholly accountable to them, so he has to keep at a minimum both a senatorial and roll call majority of the group "pleased" with his performance. His "power" is that of chief executive of the MEC; iow he executes the collective will of the body. The MEC is ultimately responsible and accountable for his performance. I'm sure you'll point to the US Government as an example of popular election, but in my view that's wholly different. First, I don't think anybody would say the current dysfunction between Congress and the Executive Branch is the optimum way to do the monetary/business portion of the people's business. Also, the US Government is responsible for substantially all the people's business. As such, they can print money, enter into contracts, make war, etc. The scope of our contract and MEC Chairman is far less. You've opined on the election of the MEC Chair. I believe it to be a bad move and have shown some concrete examples. Why do you think it's a good move? |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1258050)
No kidding. I'm not opposed or in favor of an idea like that, it would depend on the reasons.
I am not sure how a representational election versus a general election is better or worse for the membership. I'm all for improving how the union functions, but I'm not in favor of change just for the sake of change. Let's ask President Gore what he thinks about that...:D |
Originally Posted by Jesse
(Post 1258066)
Pick your own leaders? Well our state and federal reps are elected by the people. Is that not good enough for you? :rolleyes: Or you could go the USSR route.
See my reply to FtB... Oh, how's that popularly elected Federal Deficit doing? Partisanship and pandering a problem? The US Government is your model of business efficiency? Can you show me a business in which the shareowners elect the Board, CEO, and management team? We're not talking about the power to make war, print money or change what is defined as "human rights." We're talking about doing the business (read economics) of the Delta pilots. Our governance structure supports that better than any of the alternatives (APA direct election/Teamster's Business agent, etc.) that I've seen. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1258069)
Why don't you include 80clamp and ftb in that tirade?
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 1258070)
The museum also includes the excellent Hayden Planetarium, directed by Dr. Neil Tyson:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tiere_2009.jpg ....oh you meant the other Hayden... |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1258081)
so nice to look at...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tiere_2009.jpg ....oh you meant this.....well its nice too http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_universe.jpg |
Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 1258047)
Two great museums abeam Central Park:
American Museum of Natural History and The Metropolitan Museum of Art - Home |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1258051)
If you are compiling a list, don't forget the hop on hop off busses.
From memory, one is red one is yellow. One of them doesn't have an expiration on their tickets (the yellow one if memory serves) IOW, cheap pilot trick, if you buy a ticket, it is for life. They take you everywhere you'd want to go in Manhattan. They both have ticket kiosks or ticket sellers at in times square right where the place is that sells all the left over broadway show tickets/near the m&m's store. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1258072)
Hyperbole?
You be the judge.......:D It wasn't a comparison of an organization with a system of government, simply one example answering slowplay's question. |
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