I don't ignore..I like different points of view, however he was just dragging out a moot point for pages. It's done...yes carried the TA. Maybe he is a union type and had to take alot of crap and he wants to give some back to 80. I don't know, but I do know it's not constructive and it wastes time for all of us who follow this thread. Just pointing it out to 76drvr.

I agree to your point on joint roles. I don't think pilots should make a career of anything other than being a pilot. Too many in our ranks are career MGT or union. We can't control MGT but we can control the stipulations of who and for how long a pilot can work for us.

Auburn, and Auburn LOST!

No, wait, that's next week's game...:rolleyes:

Seriously AU lost to MISS STATE.. Embarrassed alumnus :(

I love greenslip, er, football season.

Slow, I anticipated your expected response so that's why I included the USSR. It wasn't so I could say, "Well, the USA (whose members vote for their leaders, top to bottom) is still around and a super power, whereas the USSR (whose members didn't get to vote) is no longer in existence." I put both there to help you consider bringing up strawman arguments. But you went there anyway. You simply asked for an example where an organization elects its own CEO, etc. Actually, you said business organization. So if you think of ALPA as a business then you should be able to concede the government functions as a business in a similar enough fashion when it comes to representation.

Not looking for a big argument here, just giving you an example where the people who are represented actually vote on their representation. I happen to think it's a more appropriate example since voters pay taxes to the government as we pay dues to our union. You don't see IBM employees paying dues to IBM; businesses pay their employees, not the other way around.

with the innovative minds at DAL thinking outside the box ....ie oil refinery. Now I know why DAL hires FAs with cat farms.


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You just can't get them to think outside the litter box.

Its football Saturday and that last page was a personal foul.
Oversized jpg's are a 15 yard penalty.

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I find your point a little unclear - you seem to defend and ridicule the current system of electing union officiols at the same time. MEC officers have always been elected by the Reps, but Reps by the pilots at large. Are you suggesting you do not favor this system, or it is not the best form of democratic governance? What would you do if you were king?

I have had many discussion with people for and against that change. Both make compelling arguments and broadened my horizons on the issue. Having that debate on a larger scale is not a bad thing.