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sailingfun 05-21-2012 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1192483)
Sailing;

How many times does that have to be refuted before you give up on it?:confused:


And yet another totally different source. Where is your data???

Airline comparison charts

See chart 43!

scambo1 05-21-2012 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1192497)
How many times are others going to spout off without providing ANY reference or evidence?

If anyone can provide evidence to back up their SWA block per pilot per year math I'd love to see it.

How about using 2011 numbers?

Bucking Bar 05-21-2012 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1192507)
Bar,
Unless I'm reading this wrong, isn't Boyd saying that E190 and maybe CR9 will be flown at MAINLINE under this TA?

Perhaps I selected the wrong place to cut and paste. Here is a link to the entire article:

Aviation Data And Insights From Boyd Group International

ALPA is keeping this information from its pilots, but third party management consultants for regional airlines already have their copy.:rolleyes:

scambo1 05-21-2012 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1192503)
You can also simply look at how many pilots SWA has and how many Delta uses on domestic narrow bodies. I saw the numbers a few years ago. If I recall Delta was using about 13 pilots per airframe. SW around 11.


Sailing, that would be a fair comparison, if true, and lends credence to the inefficiency due to training churn arguement.

tsquare 05-21-2012 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1192474)
I think the only large productivity advantage SWA has anymore is the near-total lack of training churn.

Which will continue for a few years...

nwaf16dude 05-21-2012 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1192514)
Perhaps I selected the wrong place to cut and paste. Here is a link to the entire article:

Aviation Data And Insights From Boyd Group International

Still, I'm angry that ALPA is keeping this information from its pilots, but third party management consultants for regional airlines already have their copy.

I think Boyd bit on FTBs spoofer pay chart

forgot to bid 05-21-2012 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1192503)
You can also simply look at how many pilots SWA has and how many Delta uses on domestic narrow bodies. I saw the numbers a few years ago. If I recall Delta was using about 13 pilots per airframe. SW around 11.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1192510)
And yet another totally different source. Where is your data???

Airline comparison charts

See chart 43!

You guys can double check my math, but according to airlinepilotcentral SWA currently has 6,104 pilots. I do not believe that counts AirTran. If it does, my bad, but based on 568 SWA birds and 6,104 piltos they have an average of 10.75 pilots per plane. Close to the 11 you mention Sailing.

However, looking at the 22 D2 for Nov 2012, we will have 1,625 pilots on the MD88/90. If you go on the 152 fleet number then we average 10.69 pilots per airplane but if you add in the 13 incoming MD90s then the number is 9.85 pilots per plane.

IF those numbers are right, then we are staffing the MD88 with fewer pilots than SWA staffs the 737.

scambo1 05-21-2012 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1192517)
Which will continue for a few years...

T,
I know you are onto something with the SWA arc. It seems odd to me that their CFO is now the CEO, that rarely ends well. However, I dont see them dieing, just stagnating and rotting on the vine.

Your forward looking thoughts?...

scambo1 05-21-2012 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1192526)
You guys can double check my math, but according to airlinepilotcentral SWA currently has 6,104 pilots. I do not believe that counts AirTran. If it does, my bad, but based on 568 SWA birds and 6,104 piltos they have an average of 10.75 pilots per plane. Close to the 11 you mention Sailing.

However, looking at the 22 D2 for Nov 2012, we will have 1,625 pilots on the MD88/90. If you go on the 152 fleet number then we average 10.69 pilots per airplane but if you add in the 13 incoming MD90s then the number is 9.85 pilots per plane.

IF those numbers are right, then we are staffing the MD88 with fewer pilots than SWA staffs the 737.


Take that Shiz. My FTB speaks for me.:D

Bucking Bar 05-21-2012 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1192521)
I think Boyd bit on FTBs spoofer pay chart

Could be. That would be hilarious.


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