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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1187645)
Sure we're willing to match SWA's productivity. I would argue we already do, but that's another discussion. The problem with what's already been TA'd by our negotiators is that there's no offsetting gain to the higher ALV's and reserve stuff. Specifically, there's no 6 plus hours per day minimum daily pay guarantee like...wait for it...wait for it...like SWA has.
Therefore, it is a very large concession that has already been TA'd. SWA productivity with no SWA minimum daily pay guarantee. Why didn't the Negotiator's Notepad mention this? Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1187661)
That is correct. But we CANNOT close those holes by concessions in other areas of scope because a scope concession can NEVER be gotten back through a job action by us.
It is critical that we close these holes, but we must do it through "bargaining credits" in other areas of the contract. At least those other areas of the contract can be fought over some day...Scope cannot be. Carl |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1187612)
That was my whole point. I was in denial I guess.
It didn't really sink in until I saw this Negotiator Notepad and then tonight when I logged on and read all the posts from you and especially alfaromeo. ALPA has accepted that "the world has changed". Its now a world where airline pilots make substantially less money than we used to make. The bankruptcy rates aren't some temporary emergency thing. They are the new baseline. "What we used to make is irrelevant". I was still clinging to some faint hopes. Not anymore. We're not getting back to C2K during my career. And probably never. It just saddens me to see "airline pilot" drop so steeply in the hierarchy of respected and highly compensated professions in the world. Because of this global change in attitude by ALPA higher ups, they see ALPA as more of a world power rather than a local organization to help local pilot issues. We have ALPA executives fully committed to their own advancement in business and politics, which is why so much of what they do runs in direct contravention to what we tell them we want. The good news is that I believe ALPA really is a dying organization. Non-ALPA represented pilots are at the top of the pay heap in the cargo world and the passenger world. The best work rules reside at non-ALPA represented airlines. The best scope sections also reside at non-ALPA airlines. As more and more airlines remove ALPA from the property, our profession has a real chance to regain the respect our responsibilities should command. Carl |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1187652)
That's different. I was speaking of assessments. A dues raise does NOT require a vote. It also doesn't effect Delta pilots.
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
(Post 1187687)
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1187716)
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1187666)
It is sad, and so much of it has to do with ALPA having changed its view on the airline pilot profession. Mr. Prater and now Mr. Moak see themselves as executives, board members and politicians. As such, they grow to feel that they are far above us. Some folks like alfaromeo actually have disdain for us. In his case (and slowplay), they've both been counseled about not being such condescending d!cks to the pilots...but as alfaromeo just showed yet again, he can't do it. It comes from being high up in the MEC bureaucracy where you're not elected and unaccountable to the reps or to the pilots. All you have to do is a$$ kiss the MEC chairman, and your job is secure.
Because of this global change in attitude by ALPA higher ups, they see ALPA as more of a world power rather than a local organization to help local pilot issues. We have ALPA executives fully committed to their own advancement in business and politics, which is why so much of what they do runs in direct contravention to what we tell them we want. The good news is that I believe ALPA really is a dying organization. Non-ALPA represented pilots are at the top of the pay heap in the cargo world and the passenger world. The best work rules reside at non-ALPA represented airlines. The best scope sections also reside at non-ALPA airlines. As more and more airlines remove ALPA from the property, our profession has a real chance to regain the respect our responsibilities should command. Carl Let's not forget that Moak had a chance to recapture some of this 76 seat flying at the LOCAL level during his tenure as the DALPA MEC and was the deciding vote against a staple of the CPZ pilots to the bottom of the list. |
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