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How can you be as productive on a 777 as you can as a SWA pilot in a 737 with 5 legs a day? Delta chose which planes would be used on certain routes, and 737s all the way to Asia just can't do it. 777s have first class cabins and can pull in huge amounts of revenue from cargo uplifted on those longer routes. Southwest just can't do that. You just can't compare SWA pilots to Delta pilots, the operations are different. Just stop that nonsense.

Productivity is a stupid stupid argument that will continually be brought up because that is how we argue pay. MAde sense in the Dark Ages, but not any more... Your argument above illustrates exactly why it is a stupid methodology.

scambo1

05-14-2012 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1187512)

We are in deep trouble.

It is painful to read a post like that from a guy like Pineapple. And to log on here and see the connected guys like alfaromeo and slowplay begin their defense of this latest concessionary round of bargaining is just devastating.
This TA is gonna be ugly and its gonna pass and there's nothing we can do to stop it.

Management, the bankruptcy courts and the NMB have done their jobs efficiently and effectively.
The "reset" of the airline piloting profession over the last 10 years has been successful.

Despite our hopes, there will be no "restoration". Our union has already conceded the fight.

That's what happens when you have an MEC who's only experience is concessionary bargaining.

They were told they saved the company, by the company. They believed it ... they learned to enjoy and believe they were important to corporate management.

They have taken ownership for fixing all the company's problems.

It is a tragedy.

gloopy

05-14-2012 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1187646)

I tend to agree with you on our productivity. The training footprints for all the different fleets isn't our fault. Outside of all the multi-fleet training, I'd bet we are easily on par with WN productivity.

80 (4 aircraft schools in 5 and change years)

Not only that, but also having a million fleet types and then turning marketing loose to do whatever drives a penny more revenue at our expense results in a lot of very unproductive pairings that could be made much more productive if we had a single (or even just a few fewer) fleet types. When every city pair is served by a almost every plane in the fleet every day, that's why we end up with long sits and overnights that trash our productivity in addition to the massive training pipeline you mentioned. Then the company turns around and says we can't get SWA pay because we don't have SWA productivity, even though we generate more revenue per pilot, in part because of the very things that hurt our productivity, than SWA.

Then we TA more productivity all over the NNP for a player to be named later or whatever.

gloopy

05-14-2012 06:01 AM

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Red Five

05-14-2012 06:06 AM

Anyone know how many short calls in a row you can sit? Can they assign you all six in a row, even if you don't request it? For some reason I recall only two in a row are allowed but I don't know where I got that...

acl65pilot

05-14-2012 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Five (Post 1187745)

No limit per the PWA.

acl65pilot

05-14-2012 06:24 AM

Heavy volume on DAL stock today

JungleBus

05-14-2012 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SierraWhiskey (Post 1187725)

Let's not forget that Moak had a chance to recapture some of this 76 seat flying at the LOCAL level during his tenure as the DALPA MEC and was the deciding vote against a staple of the CPZ pilots to the bottom of the list.

I'm not fan of Moak, and he is responsible for much of the prevailing malaise that continues to surround ALPA, but let's at least keep the facts straight. There was never a vote to staple CPZ pilots. The question was whether they would continue to be represented by DALPA, or would be kicked out into their own MEC. The latter option was chosen on a vote along straight pre-merger lines. I do agree that the signal sent was that Delta pilots were no longer interested in any claim to 76-seat flying.

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