Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1182470)

I can't help but chuckle at DPA trying to scare people with this TWA lawsuit. I hope people realize how far from over it is. We aren't going to be assessed. This will be dragged through the court system for MANY more years.

Everyone does realize that in order to be assessed, ALPA members in good standing have to APPROVE the assessment via vote? So they can't just TAKE $$$ from you. The assessment has to be put to vote.

Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 1187521)

Alright Carl, I'll take a shot at this....

Let's assume the company wants to dump a lot of 50 seaters. These jets are replaced by SOME more 76 seaters and 717/319's. The net result is DCI block hours reduce moderately and ML block hours go up moderately We get ironclad language protecting us from furlough in regards to parking those extra jets, removing seats or flow down (if we choose) Finally, assume we don't cave at a later date with an LOA or concession to remove some of these key restrictions. Is this a bad deal if DCI shrinks and ML grows? Remember these 76 seaters are already at DCI. I don't think we'd be setting any precedence that could be used against us in the future.

Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1187647)

Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!! :eek::mad:
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1187631)

I get it Nu. I just don't see how some people expect full restoration, plus the company eating millions of dollars in penalties. It just isn't going to happen. There has to be a meet point somewhere in the middle.

Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1187647)

Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!! :eek::mad:
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1187651)

I don't fly with many guys who are espousing full restoration. In fact, I cant think of more than one or two. do fly with a majority of guys who want and expect an immediate and significant increase in pay, 401k contributions, work rule improvements, and scope reclamation. Anything short of a comprehensive offer along these lines, IMHO, will be voted down overwhelmingly.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1187646)

I tend to agree with you on our productivity. The training footprints for all the different fleets isn't our fault. Outside of all the multi-fleet training, I'd bet we are easily on par with WN productivity.

80 (4 aircraft schools in 5 and change years)

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1187651)

I don't fly with many guys who are espousing full restoration. In fact, I cant think of more than one or two. I do fly with a majority of guys who want and expect an immediate and significant increase in pay, 401k contributions, work rule improvements, and scope reclamation. Anything short of a comprehensive offer along these lines, IMHO, will be voted down overwhelmingly.

Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 1187647)

Hey Johnso looks like ALPA is changing the bi law with out a membership vote!!! :eek::mad:
Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - ALPA Leaders Decide to Raise Dues on Members by October*2012

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1187629)

It's true they may not give them up, but right now we have no protections. You could drive a semi truck through the holes in our Sec 1. We need to close those. It's important to look at it all. I too am looking for a sunset clause, but I'm looking for top end protections as well.