Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1192397)

Bar must have been Googling "Busty Chick Money Shot" and this popped up.

Originally Posted by Whidbey (Post 1192452)

I have a good buddy at Southwest that has sat down and showed me their swap board, how they bid, etc. etc. He's a sixth year FO. He's working hard this year but if he keeps his pace he said he'll hit 200k. He said he has room to throttle way back and still top 180 easy.

My reserve unit is full of Southwest, Fedex, and Delta bubbas. The more senior (4-5 year) FOs at SWA and the widebody first officers at Fedex make as much or more as our MD-88 captains.

One other thing about Southwest: guys like to talk about all the legs they fly. They'll admit there is the rare day with 5 legs maybe 6, but most of their rotations really don't look too much different than what you'd see on the Mad dog.

I've watched this back and forth on APC for long time about SWA pay and I still scratch my head about guys that don't want to admit it, but it's a fact. They really do make that much more than we do.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1192465)

That has been my experience as well, talking to the SWA pilots.

I think the mental defect that allows it to happen is called "foolish pride."


ANYWAY: Who thinks DAL pilots make more than SWA pilots?

Who thinks SWA pilots work more days (on average) than DAL pilots?

Who thinks DAL has better health insurance than SWA?

Identify Yourselves.

Originally Posted by filejw (Post 1192469)

Careful with SWA the comparisons. They need 10/15 % less pilots per hrs of hard flying because of work rules differences.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1192472)

Could you back that up with facts?

Maybe something like:

SWA block hrs vs SWA pilot count compared to M88 block hours vs pilot count.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1192366)

Meeting starts around nine. Vote will be sometime after that.



I suggest that when everyone gets the NNP and reads the Live Contact proposal on the ALPA site, they refrain from ripping it up until they have read all of the changes.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1192471)

I say no to all of your questions and ask another.

I wonder if the reason swa makes so much more than us is because they have such a strong scope clause. After all, you'd think if you exchanged scope for money you'd make more money than a pilot group that hasn't.

Maybe the lesson is when you sell scope, you sell out on your own pay and not the other way around?

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1192474)

I think the only large productivity advantage SWA has anymore is the near-total lack of training churn.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1192482)

SWA in 2010 averaged over 20 percent more block hours per pilot then Delta. Historically they have done even better but they were overstaffed with the reductions in flying in 2010.


http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...er%20Month.htm

Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1192475)

Thx... Can I get PM'd a location from someone please.