Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1139699)

This, as Carl would state, is only "highly opinionated rhetoric"!:D Where do you get the assertion from DPA that they WANT TO BE A FIRM ALPA supporter? Because if you ask me, I haven't seen one shred of communication from the DPA CLUB that they're in FULL SUPPORT of D-ALPA during the upcoming Section 6 negotiations.

Opinion.

Your assertion then is that everything D-ALPA was able to negotiate for the group, outside of Section 6 negotiations was for their own interest and not the interest of the pilot group? I hope you're not following your contract or the new LOA's then, because that would mean you're falsely using what was meant for the D-ALPA guys alone, and not yourself or the other 12,000 of your colleagues on the list. :rolleyes:

Then get behind ONE GROUP to get that accomplished. I'll fully support an "in-house" union, or change in bargaining agent, during a non-negotiating period.

That's a great question!! I'll be the first person holding the DPA pizza parties in every crew room, at ever base possible if D-ALPA doesn't come through on this contract!! I'll PM you my personal information and you can witness it yourself!! That isn't my point, and not the reason I started posting about DPA in the first place. The main reason was to make sure everyone is unified, behind one agent, when they go to management asking for us to have a SWA-esque contract also.

Scambo, sir, I must respectfully disagree with what I have underlined. Sorry, but I don't believe that 4400 pilots within a group, wanting a different bargaining agent during negotiations is "adding unity" to this group.

Yes we are, and DANG PROUD OF IT!!

Cheers,

GJ

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1139703)

I think I'll stop responding to your hypotheticals since you don't even remember what you've written a few minutes ago.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1139703)

Again, no more responding to your "scenarios". You can't remember them.

Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1139720)

Yesterday you mentioned LAX-PHL was ending.

You may already know, but I thought I'd mention it -- Virgin America's newest city is PHL; LAX and SFO are the flights.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1139723)

I'm not posting to play back and forth on semantics.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1139723)

DPA exists because people have lost FAITH in DALPA/ALPA. There is no other reason.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1139723)

It is from this reality that I drew my conclusion that DPA supporters want to be ALPA supporters - they have however lost faith.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1139723)

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the DALPA volunteers who's goals for the pilot group are pure...like the SOT or the bid monitors or any number of other groups.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1139723)

It is clear that DALPA will be negotiating the contract. Everyone HAS to be behind them for that. If you cannot understand how we can have unity for that just because people have sent in DPA cards, well, I cannot help you.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1139723)

However, the administration on up through national have a long way to go before they have my trust. I do not believe the motives of many among them are pure and instead are self-serving.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1139721)

Googly moogly guys... I know it's easy to bite onto the DPA stuff, but if you're going to go back and forth for 10 pages, take it over to the DPA thread.

I've got 10 bucks that Carl has to eat crow on the opener, too. :D

Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1139734)

So quit responding then, because just like the "gopher hunter" does to the D-ALPA guys each time, I'll show you the "holes in your position", or the "err of your ways", as Carl would probably put it.



Fairly definitive opinion. Have you polled the 44000 pilots submitting DPA cards?



Wrong. A persons opinion doesn't equate to the "reality" of the situation. It may be a "perspective on what that particular person believes to be true", but is never the "REALITY". (Have you ever heard the saying there is always three sides to the story? His side, her side, and the truth!) :D



Who's = who is

Whose = whose




Just like I cannot (or can't:rolleyes:) help you with your grammar Mr. 777 pilot? Grow up and leave the personal jabs at home. That's why DAL88 isn't posting anymore.



Then volunteer. Show the group that your motives can be "pure" instead of "self-serving" like the others you claim. Quit your b!tching, and join the cause instead of sitting in the stands and throwing peanuts.

GJ

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1139728)

In the LAX lounge road show they stated LAX to PHL will continue.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1139736)

Again, I don't eat crow for statements that aren't mine. The council 20 chairman has made this statement, and nobody from the MEC has written anything to refute it. I'd love to see the opener. I've always seen the opener in every single Section 6. But the only thing I've seen in writing from a member of the MEC says that we will not.

Carl