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capncrunch 02-22-2012 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1139609)
Just talked to a "Regional Manager" who attended a lounge show today and he said we are keeping the DC9s an extra year, but those pilots that were going to move from the DC9 to the incoming MD90s will now stay on the DC9s and now widebody FOs will be displaced (mainly in DTW off of 744 and 777) to staff those incoming planes. Some of those widebody FOs will probably hold Capt on those or the DC9s, but the rest could result in a trickle down. The bid should come in early March.

I forsee a huge trickle down. Actually, the only trickle down we can count on.

iaflyer 02-22-2012 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1139609)
Just talked to a "Regional base Manager" who attended a lounge show today and he said we are keeping the DC9s an extra year, but those pilots that were going to move from the DC9 to the incoming MD90s will now stay on the DC9s and now widebody FOs will be displaced (mainly in DTW off of 744 and 777) to staff those incoming planes. Some of those widebody FOs will probably hold Capt on those or the DC9s, but the rest could result in a trickle down. The bid should come in early March.

Trickle down indeed.. I kinda doubt a 744 FO is going to "take one for the team" and displace to the -9, so.. that FO goes to the 330, who gets displaced to the 765, who then gets displaced to the ER somewhere, to the 73N, to the 320, to the MD, to the DC9 and finally, to the ER in NYC (:p, as it seems to be the junior plane these days, at least on the FO side).

Launchpad475 02-22-2012 03:15 PM

2 weeks ago there was talk about another early out with medical. its been 2 weeks and seems very quiet.

newKnow 02-22-2012 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1139583)
Well, there are a lot of gay bars in AMS that the ER frequents. Just sayin....

(Sorry New. ;))

As my Chicagoan nature takes over, I can't resist asking how you guys know about the gay bars in AMS and where you stumble across pictures like that. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I'm just sayin'.....


Touché :D'

georgetg 02-22-2012 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1139551)
Yes, I believe that 50% + 1 from the pilot group is always a goal of Management. With that being said, I believe they can "reach that point" more easily with a group that doesn't have unity.

For example purposes, lets say that they see us as "non-unified" in the fight for DPA. Management then has their experts analyze the demographics, and/or priorities of the the "non-unified" group. (For easy math, lets use a number of 12000 pilots.)

All that management has to do is find the minimum %% pay raise for the group that most quickly totals 6000 pilots, and VOILA, they have the minimum required in the TA sent for MEMRAT to get a contract passed. (If they need the 50% + 1 pilot, they include in the TA that Forgot to Bid can remain on the 88/90 for his career.) :D

Using that same example, if we're a UNIFIED group, even though they can offer the minimum %% pay increase to possibly get the 6000 pilots on board, again, since we're UNIFIED, that 50% isn't going to vote for a TA in MEMRAT that has their minimum %% pay increase ONLY. They (unified group) are going to look at the entire package, and vote with what will be best for the entire pilot group and OUR PROFESSION.

Good day,

GJ

P.S. ALL CAPS not intended to be a disrespectful tone. Only the items in the context of the reply I see as most important. :)

A unified pilot group will demonstrate resolve vis-a-vis the company and make them more likely to sharpen their pencil when making counterproposals, no doubt. On the other hand, I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that a unified pilot group will help ratify a better contract.

I think you could make the argument just as easily that 2 distinct factions in the pilot group that are at odds with each other force the company to placate both camps instead of catering only to the majority camp. (I'm not talking specifically talking about pro- anti- ALPA here)

So the bottom line:
If the company believes the pilot group is determined, they are more likely to bring a better offer.

If there are major strong factions among the determined pilots, the company will need to address the majority concerns of each strong faction...
Unless the major make-or-break items between pro ALPA and pro DPA pilots are substantially different when it comes to the contract (I'm not sure they are) it will be our unity in determination that will get the maximum gains available. From my personal encounters with other pilots I'm getting the impression that even the most rah-rah cheerleader-types are getting ticked off and determined to capture some of that "pie"

Cheers
George

80ktsClamp 02-22-2012 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1139622)
As my Chicagoan nature takes over, I can't resist asking how you guys know about the gay bars in AMS and where you stumble across pictures like that. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I'm just sayin'.....


Touché :D'

I was actually trying to find a very prim and proper guy in something like 1800's napoleon attire and stumbled upon that. I saw the wings on the hat and took a shot. I'm glad I helped your diet today, regardless. :)

I should have gone the ALPA route with that beefy mustache. That is why I shouldn't be allowed to post before 8pm.

reddog25 02-22-2012 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by jiminmem (Post 1139566)
Down to my last month of living in base for a bit and need to find a crash pad in NY. I've heard Que Gardens, but was wondering if anyone had any info. I'll only need it for 3 months, but I'll be on reserve.

Dont worry about where to live...worry about that Dispatchers can trump pilots on the jump seat....the PILOTS jump seat...check out the FOM.....it is BS:mad:

buzzpat 02-22-2012 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Launchpad475 (Post 1139617)
2 weeks ago there was talk about another early out with medical. its been 2 weeks and seems very quiet.

The intel coming from the LA lounge visit is that it probably won't be offered to pilots.

johnso29 02-22-2012 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 1139633)
Dont worry about where to live...worry about that Dispatchers can trump pilots on the jump seat....the PILOTS jump seat...check out the FOM.....it is BS:mad:

Ummmmm........what? :confused:

georgetg 02-22-2012 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1139634)
The intel coming from the LA lounge visit is that it probably won't be offered to pilots.

Too bad we don't have a "me-too clause"

Cheers
George


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