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tsquare 02-22-2012 12:34 PM

deleted.. I reiterated what GJ said..

Oh, and Cap'n.. you wasted the 90,000th post. 8)

capncrunch 02-22-2012 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1139545)
Oh, and Cap'n.. you wasted the 90,000th post. 8)

So true. Should have put in a pic like Jesse's. That thing made me take a 15 min "bathroom" break.

Elliot 02-22-2012 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1139542)
Wouldn't management's goal always be 50% + 1? In other words, why would management want to do anything more than the minimum even if we were "unified"?

Also, the whole "ununified" thing has me miffed as well. I see us as unified in that we all want a great contract, we just disagree about how to get there. Either way, it does not matter since DALPA will still be the one doing the negotiations. I guess I'm at a loss on the "ununified" thing.

Yes, I believe that 50% + 1 from the pilot group is always a goal of Management. With that being said, I believe they can "reach that point" more easily with a group that doesn't have unity.

For example purposes, lets say that they see us as "non-unified" in the fight for DPA. Management then has their experts analyze the demographics, and/or priorities of the the "non-unified" group. (For easy math, lets use a number of 12000 pilots.)

All that management has to do is find the minimum %% pay raise for the group that most quickly totals 6000 pilots, and VOILA, they have the minimum required in the TA sent for MEMRAT to get a contract passed. (If they need the 50% + 1 pilot, they include in the TA that Forgot to Bid can remain on the 88/90 for his career.) :D

Using that same example, if we're a UNIFIED group, even though they can offer the minimum %% pay increase to possibly get the 6000 pilots on board, again, since we're UNIFIED, that 50% isn't going to vote for a TA in MEMRAT that has their minimum %% pay increase ONLY. They (unified group) are going to look at the entire package, and vote with what will be best for the entire pilot group and OUR PROFESSION.

Good day,

GJ

P.S. ALL CAPS not intended to be a disrespectful tone. Only the items in the context of the reply I see as most important. :)

Elliot 02-22-2012 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1139546)
So true. Should have put in a pic like Jesse's. That thing made me take a 15 min "bathroom" break.

T.M.I, good sir, T.M.I.....:D

newKnow 02-22-2012 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1139546)
So true. Should have put in a pic like Jesse's. That thing made me take a 15 min "bathroom" break.


It's never too late to change. :D

capncrunch 02-22-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1139552)
T.M.I, good sir, T.M.I.....:D

True. It was also a lie. I couldn't have been in there longer than 3 mins tops. :0

jiminmem 02-22-2012 01:31 PM

Down to my last month of living in base for a bit and need to find a crash pad in NY. I've heard Que Gardens, but was wondering if anyone had any info. I'll only need it for 3 months, but I'll be on reserve.

capncrunch 02-22-2012 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1139551)
Yes, I believe that 50% + 1 from the pilot group is always a goal of Management. With that being said, I believe they can "reach that point" more easily with a group that doesn't have unity.

For example purposes, lets say that they see us as "non-unified" in the fight for DPA. Management then has their experts analyze the demographics, and/or priorities of the the "non-unified" group. (For easy math, lets use a number of 12000 pilots.)

All that management has to do is find the minimum %% pay raise for the group that most quickly totals 6000 pilots, and VOILA, they have the minimum required in the TA sent for MEMRAT to get a contract passed. (If they need the 50% + 1 pilot, they include in the TA that Forgot to Bid can remain on the 88/90 for his career.) :D

I hear you my man I guess I'm still lost.

In the above analogy which sounds right, no matter what group management analyzes, they still need to please 6001 pilots.

I guess in my mind, management intends to please the cheapest 6001 pilots unified or not.

Not trying to argue. Help me out.

More Bacon 02-22-2012 01:48 PM

From the "news" on PropagandaNet:


American, which plans to cut 13,000 jobs and end pensions, is seeking $1.25 billion in labor savings and can ask the bankruptcy court to impose new contract terms if talks with unions fail.

Proposed pilot contract changes would help American on the U.S. West Coast by widening a marketing accord with Seattle-based Alaska Air Group Inc., the story said.
Does this change anything for us? Seems to me Delta could really stick it to AA by merging with Alaska and taking it out of play for American. If it's so highly integral to American's (conceptual) turnaround, it might be worth the premium.

FIIGMO 02-22-2012 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1139573)
From the "news" on PropagandaNet:



Does this change anything for us? Seems to me Delta could really stick it to AA by merging with Alaska and taking it out of play for American. If it's so highly integral to American's (conceptual) turnaround, it might be worth the premium.

Sounds good if you have more than 15 years seniority, but I forgot being junior and forced to commute is a choice. So merging is not a very good option at all. Say, why dont we just fly our own routes on the West Coast.


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