Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1136774)

Look alfa, I understand your need to walk back your earlier comments about showing active pilots as a metric to "prove" that we're not liquidating. But nothing of this post changes the fact that we are operating ~70 aircraft less, we're selling off real estate and business centers, and we're "laying off" non-frontline employees. When you do these things and don't replace them with anything, that's slowly liquidating. How long will it continue? Who knows. But that's our reality.

Carl

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1136758)

Alpha,

One of the predictions from a few years ago was that outsourcing would cause stability along a negative trend line, with lower highs and lower lows. This is coming true. This is due to the effect of whipsaw and a group of parasitic stakeholders who tack on a fee for running their own airlines (outsourcing is less efficient than a properly managed Company doing its own work & keeping its own profits).

In the past we had times of rapid advancement and times of displacement, but the overall trend was growth and advancement. With a healthier than expected travel market, retirements, engaged labor, profitability (10% margins for 2012 I hope), cheap financing, and our outstanding network reach our expectation of better isn't unreasonable.

We've delivered and executed ... the reward is ... our second, third, or fourth demotion? Where is the bottom?

I had expected a turn around in 2012. ALPA's Expert (works for us) was asked where the bottom might be. His reply had to do with knowing winning lottery numbers (which is taken as a friendly "we don't know"). Not to be critical of him, or ALPA; management makes these decisions. How forthcoming they choose to be is not under our control.

What I think we are trying to reconcile is the disconnect between the market, our performance and a trend line. As George puts it: I'd dare to say our MEC is in a sticky situation. Our outsourcing is a monster demanding to be fed in order to further the disconnect between our expectations and actual performance. This is not criticism, it is a genuine appreciation for the difficulty of the task.

As we figure out a way forward, we really need to be careful about solutions that sounded great in Contract 2000, but were the first to fail when put under stress. There is no stable, long term, answer other than we do our flying ourselves.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1137041)

Whatever, you are right, Delta is liquidating, we are all screwed. I am getting my cyanide pills right now.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1137047)

Why a paid DALPA official would chose that post to belittle is absolutely inexcuseable.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1137038)

I have got to hand it to you Carl. Even when you are shown to be completely wrong, you double down and just attack again.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1137047)

Why a paid DALPA official would chose that post to belittle is absolutely inexcuseable.

Originally Posted by Seaslap8 (Post 1137074)

......Huh?

Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1137049)

767-400 pulls into gate next to us tonight and boom goes the slide on 2R. Pilot calls over ramp freq and says "ramp apparently the slide on 2R has blown." Poor FA has only been on the job 6 months.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1137041)

Whatever, you are right, Delta is liquidating, we are all screwed. I am getting my cyanide pills right now.