I guess we aren't overstaffed then.

Oh and we're on track for a profitable Q1 2012 vs a 400M loss in Q1 2011. That means that full year figures already are well ahead of 2011 and that's with tepid improvements in our economy as well as an easing in Europe. But somehow there will be those that will explain why we ought to be "happy to have a job" while we all move downhill and take one for the team. For even captain displaced that's a roughly 40% cut in pay in LAX...

But I'm glad we are reducing transatlantic capacity by 7-8% while AFKLM is doing 6.5%, it's not like we were below a target balance or anything.
Maybe we can celebrate a few more codeshare announcements for LAX along with developing the Virgin JV with improved [AS] connectivity...

Cheers
George

At some point, I'm going to have to fit into my uniform again, so thank you.

I'm just messin' with ya anyways, 80. You too, Buzz. :D


I've got to go and sharpen my skills. I just saw Super again, and he's making me look bad.

With such a well thought out and fact based introduction, I'm sure the rest of this post will just be scintillating.

It won't be, so it's a moot point.

No, because that would be unknowable since DPA wasn't negotiating. What I would say in your scenario is that DALPA did its own thing instead of the pilots will. Since the basis of your scenario is that the TA is less than what people think DALPA might have been able to negotiate...that by definition would mean that DALPA didn't understand its pilot's views.

No way. If that happened, I would post that DALPA did the right thing by their pilots and would no longer be seeking another union.

Carl

We have 4,400 cards earned from only a website and two small public events. This from a group that rarely particiaptes in numbers greater than 50% for anything. If you knew anything about polling, you'd know that an in-house union already has the majority. If DALPA called for a vote today (just to be sure), they'd lose in a landslide. Why? 50% wouldn't vote at all. And all 4,400 DPA members are some seriously energized folks. DALPA knows this and, as such, would never call for a vote.

That's just highly opinionated rhetoric. The truth is that most DPA members have a high distrust of DALPA, but a much greater distrust of management. When it comes to a fight against management to improve the lives of our families, we'll be behind whatever entity has the legal right to bargain for us. Period. I know this is the latest popular straw man being floated by DALPA, but it's a lie.

Carl

NY taxes income earned in NY by out of state residents. I grew up in NJ and my mom worked as a secretary in Manhattan for many years; NY always took a portion of her pay even though she filed her taxes in NJ.

Dunno, but this may be a method to protect you from that.

Completely false and you know it. Why would you say such a thing? If our pensions had been terminated, it would have had no effect on MANAGEMENT'S decision to furlough.

We gave up money every month to pay for our furloughed guys' medical insurance. Then we gave up our entire Defined Contribution pension and gave it to the bottom half of the list to bolster their DC retirements. What's strange is that I know you already know this, but you libel anyway.

Not very "unifying" behavior there sparky.

Carl

Thank you Carl, I'll take that as a compliment from you! :)



It's not a "moot point", because you have no facts to stand on that it won't be shared with the pilot group. There was communication stating "it wouldn't be shared with the pilot group, prior to submitting it to the company, but again, you have nothing to stand on stating it won't be shared at all. Sit back and watch Carl. Once the opener is shared, I'll be waiting for your apology.



You're not making any sense Carl, and I'm pretty sure I'm understanding your text. You're going to sit on this forum and when the TA comes out say, "D-ALPA did it's own thing instead of following the pilots will?" Really? With that assumption, you are then privy to the results of multiple polls the pilot group has taken? Or maybe, what I'm hearing from you, is if it's not up to your standards, or the standards that you always proclaim, without any factual basis that DPA can deliver, that you'll promote the fact that D-ALPA went "off the reservation". (Not intended to be a derogatory remark towards reservations, and/or Native Americans.)

Here's a possible scenario for you. Maybe the majority of the pilots at Delta, yes, all of those that don't post on this forum, did have something to say differently than the "all GREAT GOPHER HUNTER", and in fact, the TA reflects much of what the pilot group asked for. (There's a novel idea Carl. You not being the voice of majority in the 12,000 pilot group?)



I'm skeptical Carl, :) but we will see!!


Good day,

GJ

I am pretty sure it has always been that way. If you get bumped by a dispatcher they will get you a positive space seat, just like if you are bumped by a LCA or fed.

I agree Carl, to a certain extent. You guys keeping the bulk of your pensions wouldn't have altered MANAGEMENT'S decision to furlough. It might have affected the time-frame, or the multiple furloughs, but then again, we'll never know. I apologize for the "low blow". I'm a better person than that, and we're all in this together.................sort of. I still think with the vast amounts of group demographics this pilot group has, we need to be more unified than what we're showing.

You were called out by another NWA guy on this forum Carl! (If I recall correctly, his screen name was 330drvr?) I'm looking through your earlier posts now to quote his and your response. JUST SO YOU KNOW I'M BEING FACTUAL IN MY POSITION AND NOT EMOTION BASED!!

I'll show the same unification efforts that the DPA club is showing when they stand behind the same bargaining agent UNTIL AFTER section 6 negotiations are complete this time. :rolleyes: When is that going to happen? (Hint: Not holding my breath.)

Fly safe,

GJ