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acl65pilot 02-21-2012 02:39 PM

VOR Holdings also has a opening on the E-Series for 14K a month as a capt. That is salary only........

Ragtop Day 02-21-2012 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1139040)
TEN,

In a word, "yes." Our outsourced flying is more profitable than the work we perform ourselves.* As we further and further decouple from the value of our flying to this airline, I wonder when someone is going to ask the obvious the obvious question; "wait ... you want a raise based on the profits earned by another pilot group?"

It goes without saying that as Delta fails to invest in an efficient 100 to 130 seat jet, the ongoing cost of the inefficient Douglas jets will increase the pressure to outsource. We've got to get the right tools to compete.

* Delta's 10K suggests outsourced flying is responsible for 21% of revenue, but generates 47% of our operating profit. If true, this gives some idea of the cost to "take it back."

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Perhaps Sailing, Slow, or Alpha will share the real numbers that helped reach the decision that was made in the Compass matter. It would be a very productive discussion.

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Bar,

I know we have some smart people on VA ave., but the question I have is how do they attribute those percentages? If a pax pays $500 to fly AGS-ATL-LAX, how much revenue gets credited to mainline and how much to the rj? Can that formula change to put more impressive numbers in front of the NMB?

Also, (and I honestly don't know) are those numbers just for RJ outsourcing or does it include the JV's and AK codeshare? Pretty easy to show big profit percentages if you take half the revenue of a full A380 with little to no capital outlay. In addition, what kind of accounting goes on with respect to our side of the JV? Do we account all the expenses of operating a 767 across the pond, but only tally half the money towards the "profit?"

Does the number only represent outsourced flying or does it include other forms of revenue derived from outsourcing?

I have not looked at the 10K, but if they did not firmly define how they arrived at those numbers, those percentages become very suspect to me.

contrails 02-21-2012 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1139050)
LAX PHL cancelled as of 07JUN12

Cheers
George

Also, if it wasn't mentioned on here:

MIA-LHR is going away and will be replaced by an ATL-LHR.


MIA-MEM gone in April
MIA-CVG gone in April

georgetg 02-21-2012 03:41 PM

Happy Birthday MD-90, flying for 19 years today!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25953519/004458.jpg

Cheers
George

Bill Lumberg 02-21-2012 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1139094)
Also, if it wasn't mentioned on here:

MIA-LHR is going away and will be replaced by an ATL-LHR.


MIA-MEM gone in April
MIA-CVG gone in April

Also, ATL to LGW will supposedly be cancelled. That was one of DL's first long hual international flights, with a leased L1011 from TWA, about 30 years ago. Those guys on Airliners.net are saying a morning ATL-LHR may be used instead if they get the evening slot at LHR.

Bill Lumberg 02-21-2012 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1139011)
We used to do LA-CUN also but AK does that now. We are doing LA to PVR again.

Don't we still do it on Saturday's? And, I think AK stopped that flight from LAX to CUN. They used to do it from SEA nonstop too, but that plane is now going to Lihue or somewhere else in the islands.

Schwanker 02-21-2012 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1139066)
VOR Holdings also has a opening on the E-Series for 14K a month as a capt. That is salary only........

Spent a few days in Chengdu last summer. Had a blast. Had a descent Hooters which served Jack by the bottle... Not the shopping Mecca of Beijing.

Real progressive city with some good night life. Looks like a Nevada casino town with all the lights. New construction everywhere.

Very busy airport, almost all A320/737 or larger. Don't recall seeing anything smaller. KLM had a 744 in there. Lots of WBs.

nwaf16dude 02-21-2012 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 1139094)
Also, if it wasn't mentioned on here:

MIA-LHR is going away and will be replaced by an ATL-LHR.


MIA-MEM gone in April
MIA-CVG gone in April

Looks like we're eliminating duplication to get ready to buy that AA MIA operation:cool:

forgot to bid 02-21-2012 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1139097)
Happy Birthday MD-90, flying for 19 years today!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25953519/004458.jpg

Cheers
George

Interesting pic of a 90 there George. :)

I found a great one of an 88, we can celebrate 24 years, or whatever it's been, of MD88 awesomeness:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../6/2067632.jpg

chuck416 02-21-2012 04:36 PM

Hi Guys,
I have a Q about reserve....I got in off a 3-day trip, and blocked in at 00:43, just past midnight, which would have put me off duty at 00:58, two minutes shy of 01:00, on an XX day-off. Am I due an extra day off, as this rotation had me "on the clock" on one of my XX days? Much thanks!
Chuck


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