Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 1139083)

Bar,

the question I have is how do they attribute those percentages? Can that formula change to put more impressive numbers in front of the NMB?

I have not looked at the 10K, but if they did not firmly define how they arrived at those numbers, those percentages become very suspect to me.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1138892)

Ummm.... almost every post you've ever written on the subject. I'm not going to take the time to go back and find all the posts, but you have consistently talked about the limitations you think are going to be placed on us by the NMB and that asking for too much will get us nowhere. You have also consistently argued against the percentage increase needed to match our domestic narrowbody pilots with SWA pilots W2's or the increase needed to restore our buying power to C2K. You constantly talk about those as being "unreasonable" and therefore unachievable.

Sorry, T, but you can't have it both ways. Either you believe we should be shooting for restoration (C2K+COLA) or you don't. Either you believe that matching our narrowbody domestic pilots W2's to SWA pilots W2's could be considered a reasonable compromise if we can't quite get C2K+COLA, or you don't. Your posts clearly indicate that your expectations are for something substantially less than this. My take on your view... pessimism or defeatism. Explain to me how you could possibly be meaning something else.

Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1139155)

Superpilot, you read my mind. But since I did my homework I'm still going to turn it in.

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=500&h=697

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1138988)

Yes, in its entirety...and then we "generously" offer to "give back" some things. Like:

The "cancelled contracts" threat is a myth. The vast majority of those fake "penalties" are merely DL being forced to take over the payments. The same payments DL is paying over 100% in the first place.

50 seaters could be left alone to wither on the vine with a shrinking cap matched to current levels. Zero cost.

51-76 seater contracts are forbidden to be entered into or extended, and existing contracts forced to be cancelled at an agressive but controllable rate to allow transition to the DL pilot list. Using a B scale should be avoided, but used if there is no other way to get that flying back. Controllable cost.

We allow Skyteam and even Alaska and Hawaiian flying, but with strict limits. There is no reason why we should code with 2 BOS-SEA flights. Cut it down to one and if we need more we do one. LA-SEA is limited to 2 or 3 AS flights with 50 seats on each. Any more and we put our metal on it. The truly niche markets like Prudhoe Bay and Walla Walla can remain as is until total demand gets to above a fair, predetermined level. Controllable cost and actually significantly increased revenue assuming we can compete with AS as they are by no means some invincibile force that dominates an entire coast without contest.

Skyteam is fine as well, we just need a fair balance. 49.75 becomes 50.00 for AF/KLM/AZ and the balance period is for at least 6 months out of 12 each and every year including at least one peak summer month.

Every new Skyteam carrier will naturally come with promoses of network growth from management, so we make them quantify said growth and put it in writing.

Originally Posted by Too Tall (Post 1139160)

I'm in the school house now and the rumor is the 9 will stay until 2013 now and they will announce / decide on the 28th. And for all those that complain about the 88 they need to go do a penalty MD in the 9, then the 88 will look like the best thing you have ever laid eyes on.

Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1139155)

Superpilot, you read my mind. But since I did my homework I'm still going to turn it in.

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=500&h=697