I've posted the written statement of the Council 20 chairman on this subject. You can look it up for yourself on the DALPA website. It states: "...and of course we will not be sharing the opener with the pilot group. That would be like showing your hand in poker." There has been no statement from the MEC to refute this statement...nothing. If you know of a statement from the MEC to the contrary, post it.

Incorrect. You can look it up for yourself.

There won't be any need for an apology, because it's not MY statement. It's the Council 20 Chairman's statement.

Carl

This, as Carl would state, is only "highly opinionated rhetoric"!:D Where do you get the assertion from DPA that they WANT TO BE A FIRM ALPA supporter? Because if you ask me, I haven't seen one shred of communication from the DPA CLUB that they're in FULL SUPPORT of D-ALPA during the upcoming Section 6 negotiations.


Opinion.

Your assertion then is that everything D-ALPA was able to negotiate for the group, outside of Section 6 negotiations was for their own interest and not the interest of the pilot group? I hope you're not following your contract or the new LOA's then, because that would mean you're falsely using what was meant for the D-ALPA guys alone, and not yourself or the other 12,000 of your colleagues on the list. :rolleyes:

Then get behind ONE GROUP to get that accomplished. I'll fully support an "in-house" union, or change in bargaining agent, during a non-negotiating period.

That's a great question!! I'll be the first person holding the DPA pizza parties in every crew room, at ever base possible if D-ALPA doesn't come through on this contract!! I'll PM you my personal information and you can witness it yourself!! That isn't my point, and not the reason I started posting about DPA in the first place. The main reason was to make sure everyone is unified, behind one agent, when they go to management asking for us to have a SWA-esque contract also.



Scambo, sir, I must respectfully disagree with what I have underlined. Sorry, but I don't believe that 4400 pilots within a group, wanting a different bargaining agent during negotiations is "adding unity" to this group.

Yes we are, and DANG PROUD OF IT!!

Cheers,

GJ

You need to pay attention ace. I was responding to YOUR hypothetical. In YOUR hypothetical, your premise was that a TA came out where the pilots determined that DALPA could have done better.

I think I'll stop responding to your hypotheticals since you don't even remember what you've written a few minutes ago.

Again, it was YOUR assumptions and YOUR hypothetical.

Again, no more responding to your "scenarios". You can't remember them.

Carl

It is my assertion Carl that you have misunderstood, or taken out of context, or missed the intent of the communication. I believe the opener will be shared, and shared AFTER they offer it to the company. Again, I'll review the communication, and what do you say, see you at the next Council 20 D-ALPA meeting? :) I'm DAL20 too.

I will. :)

Ok.

As always, fly safe.

GJ

Look forward to you finding a post that refutes what I said about what the senior NWA pilots gave up for the junior NWA piilots.

Carl

Nobody? Really? Why do you keep making up stuff that is so easily proven wrong? There are at least 4,400 of us that not only want it, but we don't consider it a waste of time.

Yes, I do.

That and my personal knowledge and experience in polling. If you know anyone who has expertise in polling, give them this data and ask them what it means.

You can't guarantee anything. You should know better.

It's my opinion based upon what I see and hear from my many fellow DPA members. It's my opinion, but it's fact based.

Carl

You mean the same "constructive engagement rapport" that had us cave in on more 76 seaters? Or the "constructive engagement rapport" that had us NOT grieve the RAH scope violation because management successfully found a loophole in our scope language? What kind of thing was that for management to do to their "constructive engagement" partner? Or maybe you mean the "constructive engagement rapport" that now has management fighting to pull out crew rest areas on the A330?

Carl

Back to the original post for those who are interested (Military Event... sorry to my civilian brothers). Delta will be in Bethesda, MD on 25 Feb 2012 from 10am-3pm for a job hiring event. Not sure if they are looking at pilots specifically. Check out this web site. 100,000 Jobs Mission | The pledge to hire 100,000 Veterans

Yesterday you mentioned LAX-PHL was ending.

You may already know, but I thought I'd mention it -- Virgin America's newest city is PHL; LAX and SFO are the flights.

Googly moogly guys... I know it's easy to bite onto the DPA stuff, but if you're going to go back and forth for 10 pages, take it over to the DPA thread.

I've got 10 bucks that Carl has to eat crow on the opener, too. :D