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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1082741)
Ok I think I'm starting to get it. AE's with conversion dates inside of other, earlier AE's conversion dates. I now know I am destined to be confused for the rest of my career. :D
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Thanks Alfa. Thanks 80.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1082745)
Thanks Alfa. Thanks 80.
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1082736)
Eventually they may change but this is the south and they don't change quickly.
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
(Post 1082468)
Sorry to change the subject but can someone tell me how to bid a specific pairing on a specific day in PBS. I usually bid RSV so have never tried this before. I waited 45 min on the PBS help line and got fustrated. Thanks
On the award page check departure date and enter the desired date and ON THE SAME PAGE check the pairing number box, list, enter pairing number, add to the big box, and then click the add box at the bottom or top right of the page. The call center has been busy all day until around 6 pm then the wait times run 0-15 min. No guarantee it will be that way in the future. Good luck |
Originally Posted by FlyZ
(Post 1082728)
ACL, can you elaborate on this? To save us the technical troubles of logging on to the DALPA forum? My wife only allows one and I choose this one.:)
In the US all fuel costs must be included in the base fare for any ticket that is considered a domestic flight. We have big fuel surcharges on international tickets because that is legal. As fuel goes up and down, the base ticket fare still needs to cover it. Every other business can add a fuel surcharge and does. Look at your deliver fee for your pizza, fedex, moving companies, sanitation, etc, the list is long. We as airlines cannot. RA's statement that he would love to see the fuel component removed from the base fare is a wise one. As a fee or surcharge added to the base fare, it can fluctuate. It is added where the taxes are added. It allows us to price a ticket at a constant rate, and then add the fuel on at the time of purchase or check-in, thus taking that unknown out of pricing. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1082784)
The price of fuel is very volatile, agree? Hedging is a bet on future prices, but not the best way to pay for the cost.
In the US all fuel costs must be included in the base fare for any ticket that is considered a domestic flight. We have big fuel surcharges on international tickets because that is legal. As fuel goes up and down, the base ticket fare still needs to cover it. Every other business can add a fuel surcharge and does. Look at your deliver fee for your pizza, fedex, moving companies, sanitation, etc, the list is long. We as airlines cannot. RA's statement that he would love to see the fuel component removed from the base fare is a wise one. As a fee or surcharge added to the base fare, it can fluctuate. It is added where the taxes are added. It allows us to price a ticket at a constant rate, and then add the fuel on at the time of purchase or check-in, thus taking that unknown out of pricing. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 1082734)
Every AE seems to generate more angst than the last one. As a long time CVG based pilot who got "downsized" I feel your pain (MEM) and all the rest who are MD's. Let's focus back on the facts. Delta is making money. They are making money in a year where there are numerous excuses to lose money (earthquakes, tornadoes, fuel prices, Martian invasions, etc.) yet they are still making money. They are going to make money next year. They are not going to furlough. They will hire again soon (not as soon as we would like but soon enough). I have worked for Delta when they were financially viable and when they were going (or currently) bankrupt. We are in Plan A. Plan A does not produce the growth we all would hope for but it also is producing consistent profits in dog poop financial conditions. Consistent profits will eventually lead to growth AND better contracts. Don't panic. I have seen Delta as a failing airline and this aint it. Hang in there, it is already getting better, it is just hard to see it sometimes.
I also agree that it has probably been 30 years since DAL has been run this well. What happens in the EU will effect Europe, and AF. That in turn will effect us. Which way remains to be seen. |
Originally Posted by FlyZ
(Post 1082785)
That all makes sense. I was actually curious about the big flow through you hinted at. You said it was being talked about on the DALPA forums?
It may be a flow between DAL and Expressjet(formerly ASA) and not DALPA. They can do that if they choose, and it would result in a flow up and probably no flow down if done that way. I would guess if anything is going to happen it would be announced shortly before we hire. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1082614)
TYG;
Think of the reasons why. Possible reasons we can delay hiring: -Shrinking -Merger or Acquisition -FT/DT will allow less pilots -Productivity changes will make us more efficient -Trip Parking, and yes, it is on the rise esp in the WB categories. -No one retiring -By not hiring, when they need to hire they will be able to claim duress and beg for scope relief. (We can't hire that many, we must outsource jobs to keep the network intact) Just naming possibilities. One scenario: company gives another little bit of flying to AS. ALPA and MGT: it's nothing, just .5% of our flying and plus it helps us make money. Company finds a way to end around the AF JV restrictions. DALPA and MGT: don't worry, they are only out of compliance by 1%...we will give them a break for now because we are actually making money. Company pulls back flying by another 1% YOY like in this AE. ALPA and MGT: well we have to do this. This is a bad economy and look how high fuel prices are. Company replaces a few more 88/90 routes with the big RJs they already have. ALPA and MGT: don't be concerned, it's only .5% of our flying, and plus look at all the 50 seaters we are parking! Well, none of those sound too horrible, but add up those block hour cuts. 12,000 x (.5% + 1% + 1% + .5%) = 360 pilots not needed in a year. And how many retirements do we have coming, on average? I bet a the next 5+ years (maybe even 10) would average to around 360. So I don't put too much stock in the consolation "it'll happen soon enough, and once they start hiring they won't be able to stop." "Show me the money" is great, but you damn well better show me an iron-clad scope wallet to put that money in. We gained a little stock in the merger, but I guarantee we lost much, much more than that in $ and in QOL as we have stagnated and slipped backwards. |
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