Likely true if the World doesn't sink. Italy's debt will be carrying rates over 10% by the time we get up. Han Seng is down 5% as I write this. Banks down 6% in Hong Kong trading. I'm not betting on anything right now. This is going to kick AZ's teeth out and really hurt Air France.

Guess we will test the theory that the AF/KLM JV really helps us, because it was taking on water before the sovereign debt default in Europe becoming "real."

I had a LCA on my J/S who also indicated we were going to confirm the 30 options for firm orders, before the first 739-900ER was on the property. That would make it "soon".....http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...cons/icon7.gif

Yep, but they want them all to be replacements and as a result net neutral.

Yep, AF has been targeting the leisure market and we the business traveler. If the Euro Zone takes any more hits, AF will be begging us to pull capacity to they can keep those 380's flying.

Are you crazy? We have a fairly good sized 767/Maddog/737 domicile in NY, and the Good Lawd hisself only knows how many crews lay over there every night. You think this is gonna be any different?

Carl;
SWA touts that but talk to the pilots that work directly with their management. Times are changing. Also their contract is designed to throw money at greedy pilots. Money covers many of the holes in their deal.

There is no doubt that it is a good company, but that is because they trow money at people to work their tails off. Ask the FA's how well they are paid. I know a few that are less than joyed at the whole SWA experience.

They have matured to the point that they are going to be another airline like everyone else.

You sound a lot like a SWAPA pilot with this kind of argument.

The last 10 years' history has nothing to do with what we are facing early next year. There's a new process in place, and an ALPA president that STILL believes that RJ's are good for Delta. Let's talk about our immediate future.

Conflict of interest isn't a straw man. There's an actual definition for it. You can look it up. There is no question that an actual textbook conflict of interest exists with ALPA's current structure. Covering your eyes and hoping we won't be represented the way the TWA pilots were represented won't advance the careers of Delta pilots either Bar.

No idea where that cheap shot came from. I've never rallied against any pilot except a scab. Never. I only rally for the concept of pilots representing themselves and using their own dues money to represent them. How you can characterize that as rallying the troops against our brothers is amazing.

That's pretty funny right there.

As you should know by now, I don't blame anyone for our current situation except us. I'm only trying to get people to see the clear evidence that is right before their eyes. But words like brotherhood and unity are powerful and blinding rhetorical tools.

Carl

:) The older I get, the world seems to be in the same cycle of doom, gloom or recovery. The world seems to always be repeating itself.

A wise man once told me, "to block out 70 % of the "noise" and do the right thing and never retract from doing the right thing because everything will be ok"

TEN

They are doing everything in their power to minimize/stop that. It was the driving force behind your 5 am reports for a domestic trip in LGA. I used to layo there at least four times a month, no a NYC layo is an oddity.