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acl65pilot 11-09-2011 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1082628)
BAD BIZ CHOICE! We should not give any relief!

TEN

Not disagreeing with that. Just stating it. It is move four in the playbook.

TenYearsGone 11-09-2011 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1082624)
I live in base and LOVE commutable trips. I like to start late on day one and finish early on the last day. Unfortunately for a commuter I would be taking a trip that would benefit them as well. Do you see the problem here???:):)

Hey, I dont mind moving to any base either. But the problem is that everytime I move, the base closes:( therefore I commute.

TEN

TenYearsGone 11-09-2011 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1082630)
Not disagreeing with that. Just stating it. It is move four in the playbook.

I just wish everybody would stop playing games and just run a nice, ethical and honest business. What a concept!:rolleyes:

TEN

acl65pilot 11-09-2011 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1082625)
ACL, I know...I was hoping you would not say something so pessimistic. And more importantly, I was hoping ALPA, which I know has the plan at hand, can help mitigate this BS maneuver by the company
TEN

It required a pessimistic answer. We do not need pilots right now. We have pulled down our block hrs by over 20% from this summer, and are lower next year. I noticed that trips that had 48 hr layos like DXB are going to 24. They are eeking the efficiencies out of this group anywhere they can.

Base moves reduce manning needs because less trips are flow on trip rig, and are now hard time. That is the Delta way.

I know that they have wanted to hire, but have not gotten the go ahead. Once they do open the doors, it will not stop for 10 to 20 years. That is simple math, even if they are trying to shrink the airline.

acl65pilot 11-09-2011 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1082632)
I just wish everybody would stop playing games and just run a nice, ethical and honest business. What a concept!:rolleyes:

TEN

I agree, but money does not have ethics.

firstmob 11-09-2011 05:54 PM

ACL. Of all your choices the one I can live with best would be a merger.

forgot to bid 11-09-2011 05:55 PM

They can already increase the outsourcing with Alaska- because nobody is going to stop them. They're ALPA after all, all in the family.

Or we're about to merge.

Bucking Bar 11-09-2011 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1082625)
ACL, I know...I was hoping you would not say something so pessimistic. And more importantly, I was hoping ALPA, which I know has the plan at hand, can help mitigate this BS maneuver by the company

The cost of oil is just the price you have to pay to be in business. It should not be of concern to me or any other pilots. UAL/CAL is expanding, DAL is implying-->Shrinkage. OIL is high for UAL/CAL, Alaska, KLM/AF, PCL and Hawaiian too; but somehow they are flying our routes and we are paying them,,hmmmm

TEN

There are two forces at work within ALPA. You got those that have theirs (767 Captains) and those who want a shot at that wide body Captain job before they retire. The first crowd wants Delta to do well to preserve the deal they've got. At the end of the day they don't care what happens to anyone as long as Delta does well and they keep their good deal until they're gone. The rest want a balanced approach that protects longevity, seniority and opportunity. The Captains are firmly in control of the ship. It strikes me as odd that some junior MD88A's are firmly in the "outsource anything, just pay me" camp. Frankly, they just do not understand economics.

The only religion that might change things is unity. As an ALPA politician, it is hard to be against unity (although most are self interested behind the closed door). As sovereigns begin defaulting on their obligations and fear increases I expect the narrow focus on Delta's well being to intensify.

Delta has hired about 7,400 pilots in the last decade ... they just don't have seniority numbers.
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Delta is better hedged than our competitors at the moment. We can also try to save fuel where we can.

hoserpilot 11-09-2011 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1082631)
Hey, I dont mind moving to any base either. But the problem is that everytime I move, the base closes therefore I commute.

TEN

Please don't move to Atlanta!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

acl65pilot 11-09-2011 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1082637)
They can already increase the outsourcing with Alaska- because nobody is going to stop them. They're ALPA after all, all in the family.

Or we're about to merge.

Who knows, but the LGA slot swap is done, and DAL is one of the few in a position to make it happen if they so choose.

I would suspect parts of an airline or a small airline if they decided that further consolidation was necessary. Maybe assets too!

There are a few players out there that are prime targets, imo.


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