Look in Icrew and pull up rotations
8002/06NOV
8021/03NOV
8013/28 NOV
8053/17NOV
8056/24NOV
9305/23NOV

and anything in the 94XX series.....ALL uncommutable EWR trips.

It sucks on the 88.

Don't know a whole lot about it but the ER unless you are top 1/3, you will be doing africa, domestic red-eyes, and uncommutable 2-days that you can't do back-to-back because of domicile rest.

765 is decent, as long as you like LHR, DTW, and MIA layovers.

73N is a big mystery to me.

He's just trying to help. The AE is out? :)

Net A and B gain/loss breakdown by base:

ATL-
A: +25
B: +4

DTW-
A: -6
B: -20

LAX-
A: +5
B: 0

MEM-
A: -99
B: -112

MSP-
A: +20
B: 0

NYC-
A: +82
B: +86

SEA-
A: +15
B: 0

Overall:
A: +42
B: -42

Ok. As a North guy, and someone who is still trying to figure things out....


.....how does a 365 day conversion AE work? I mean, does that mean there will be no more AE's out until next summer? Or, if another AE comes out in March, when do the people who got awarded something get trained?

Basically, I'm totally confused because:

1.) The company says by next November basically all the DC-9's will be parked. But, this 365 day conversion AE doesn't park all the DC-9's by November 1st. &

2.) The company says that by next December we will have 20 more MD90's. But, this 365 day AE only increases the amount of MD88 A's by 25 and 32 MD88 B's.

If I think about it any more, I'll just confuse myself more.

Did I just confuse anyone else? :confused:

Every AE seems to generate more angst than the last one. As a long time CVG based pilot who got "downsized" I feel your pain (MEM) and all the rest who are MD's. Let's focus back on the facts. Delta is making money. They are making money in a year where there are numerous excuses to lose money (earthquakes, tornadoes, fuel prices, Martian invasions, etc.) yet they are still making money. They are going to make money next year. They are not going to furlough. They will hire again soon (not as soon as we would like but soon enough). I have worked for Delta when they were financially viable and when they were going (or currently) bankrupt. We are in Plan A. Plan A does not produce the growth we all would hope for but it also is producing consistent profits in dog poop financial conditions. Consistent profits will eventually lead to growth AND better contracts. Don't panic. I have seen Delta as a failing airline and this aint it. Hang in there, it is already getting better, it is just hard to see it sometimes.

The 365 just concerns when the conversions have to be done for this bid alone. They expect a lot of training on this bid so they used their contractual right to spread it out over 365 days. They can post another bid a month (or a week) from now and another a month (or a day or a week) after that. There will be more bids for MD-90's but that will come later. This is a little more random from the pilot's view than the APA system, but this is how Delta has done it and they know that system. Eventually they may change but this is the south and they don't change quickly.

Each new AE will adjust for the changes/shortcomings from the last AE. The next AE will most likely have more MD-88/90 openings and more DC-9 displacements. They will also adjust to the changing market conditions that affects how Hauenstein deploys our aircraft to make money (we like making money).

The bottom line is that there can and most likely will be overlapping AE's with multiple training/conversion windows. You have gotten the big picture. More MD-90's, phase out of DC-9's. Shape your bidding strategy around that.

I would look for a "clean-up" bid early next year which will account for more MD-90 positions and such. Then another around the first part of summer which will account for the rest that this didnt account for. The 365 day conversion window gives them flexibility to slow to base closings or training as need be as marketing changes their mind 20 more times.

The big SOC bid that nuked me off of the 767 was a 365 day window. I ended up in 73N training in May... and in the May "clean-up" bid I was reinstated to the 767. I chose to give the 73N a try.... wahoo.

So, if they post an AE in December, with a 3 month conversion window, the December awards can be trained or converted before the awards from this November AE?

I think I'm just wondering if this 365 day training window means, bid to get something on this AE, or don't plan on training for a new aircraft until sometime after November 2012.....

Ok I think I'm starting to get it. AE's with conversion dates inside of other, earlier AE's conversion dates. I now know I am destined to be confused for the rest of my career. :D