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Net changes on the bid:

ATL: +29
DTW: -26
LAX: +5
MEM: -211
MSP: +20
NYC: +168
SEA: +15

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1082426)

Maybe your and acl's interpretation of the new jv language was correct, I sure hope so.

What is that? I've changed my interpretation of it a couple of times and finally received confirmation that George's posts were in fact, correct. We are in a measurement period that is not actionable as a grievance until Spring 2014. However, the smart folks are thinking the result will be roughly 8 additional wide body cities coming our way (if a snap shot were taken today). Calculating the EASK numbers is like calculating DCI ASM's. Somebody is working on independent numbers (who has more time than I do) and those will be posted in graphical form.

ALPA's response will be that those numbers don't matter and they are right. We can't grieve it. Absent the Company's good faith, there is nothing we can really do to force compliance prior to 2015.

My guess is that we'll see the JV modified ten ways to Sunday before 2015 and we have to trust the guys we've got to not let the Company slip on compliance between now and then.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1082432)

Net changes on the bid:

ATL: +29
DTW: -26
LAX: +5
MEM: -211
MSP: +20
NYC: +168
SEA: +10
SLC: +5

There............

NYC 320 base opening. Staffed by MEM 320 surpluses due to MEM base closing

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1082427)

I just get tired of the constant dark cloud/UNITY preaching. Sorry.

I've voluntarily moved "down" the payscale, but am making more money and getting better days off as a result. Relatively system wide I've moved up almost 3% since the integration. Thanks to longevity increases and the JCBA, I'm making considerably more money since my involuntary displacement (where I could have reinstated right after training on the 737). I'm tickled silly over my move to the 320, though.

Shh....

http://freelancefolder.com/images/shh.jpg

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1082413)

They displaced 50 Captains from the domestic 767 and added 50 Captains to the ER. No net loss of flying. NYC looks like the big winner and MEM the big loser.

Look at the fo's no replacement on the er in atl.

There's also a memo from Crew Resources on DLnet explaining why they are doing all this.

I sure hope the displaced 75/76 ATL guys don't come West...that could be one large trickle down.

Baja.

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Originally Posted by Going2Baja (Post 1082454)

I sure hope the displaced 75/76 ATL guys don't come West...that could be one large trickle down.

Baja.

I would be floored if they did. The opening of the SEA 7ER took care of most of the pilots that would do that. Most will just fight for the JS to NYC.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1082378)

I'll bet you that you're wrong as usual about the LOA's/furlough stuff.

I don't think there will be furloughs from this AE. Its only a net surplus of 85, which is just a transient ripple on the surface in the grand scheme of things. But as Europe continues to collapse, and it will, 100%, and our economic malaise persists, and the LCC's try and find a place for their burgeoning growth based order books, we had better be willing and able to compete. Big pulldowns to save cash or impress the crackberry day trader crowd (doesn't work anyway) while competitors barf every seat we dump right back into the general capacity is a pretty sad strategy. Still worthy of massive bonuses, of course.

There will be more AE's next year. As we are able to outsource half our airline, at DCI including over 250 DC-9-10 replacement jets and hundreds of other jets, AS and their large 737's and of course all the JV's, and as our costs continue to rise as we shrink and get more senior while those we outsource to grow and get more junior, the pressure to continue the cycle will only increase.

That's why "no scope concessions" isn't going to cut it.