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1100 hours a year would be an average of 91.7 hours per month. No possible way that is the average month for a Delta pilot.

I have been saying this for quite some time. Their point is they do not want to help ALPA at all, and by default are hurting the pilot group as a whole.

I don't think that's accurate. I think many have given up on ALPA... i.e. they do not believe it can be fixed. Nobody's intention is to hurt the pilot group. But if ALPA cannot indeed be fixed (if that is one's conclusion), then it would be foolish not to try something different.

Nu,

Lets have an open discussion about why "good Reps" are elected then instantly align with the status quo on the Committees.

PM sent.

Honest question:

How can so many (~3000 pilots) believe that DAL-ALPA is an organization incapable of being fixed if there hasn't been a minimum effort to try? (i.e. attending LEC meetings, volunteering for a committee)

Disclaimer: By no means am I a "die-hard" ALPA supporter, but am also cautiously optimistic of the "grass always being greener" as well.

I believe there needs to be a "metric" to someone submitting their DPA card against DAL-ALPA. (example- If you've gone to a minimum amount of LEC meetings, done a minimum amount of VOLUNTEER work for DAL-ALPA, and attempted to affect change, to no avail, then by all means, send in a DPA card in support of the "ALTERNATIVE". If not, then people better start pulling their "5th point of contact out of their 3rd point of contact." (Old Army addage.)

Fly safe,

GJ

Fair enough, but my point was that, by not engaging in the process and the bargaining agent that will be representing you in the next section six, the division will hurt the pilot group.

Nu and Shiz have very valid points. I have been saying the same thing for a long time. Reengage, become a "Tea Party" sort of group within ALPA and work to change what you see wrong with it. With 3000 pilots you could own most votes and definitely all of the LEC meetings. With those sort of numbers you could quite easily change reps, and as a result the MEC administration. I would think that DPA would want to change what they see as an issue before an opener is presented that we would be bound to though out the process. Frankly, time is of the essence to accomplish this, and if trying is not even attempted, then honestly all the DPA push can do is divide the group while we are in Section 6, which will hurt all DAL pilots and the ultimate outcome of the process.

How do you know that many or even most of the 3000+ pilots have not done these things? Maybe many of them have attended meetings, submitted resolutions, provided input to their reps, even volunteered on committees or served as reps themselves... and yet nothing changes. Input is ignored, or argued with, or explained away as "radical fringe." Resolutions (some of which were overwhelmingly passed by LEC's) are marked "received", which is basically the same thing as ignored. No apparent effort is being made toward restoration. Quite the contrary, a lot of effort seems to be being put in toward convincing us that restoration is too difficult to achieve and/or inappropriate.

I don't have any insight into the inner thinkings of DPA. My understanding is that negotiations cannot open any earlier than next April. It seems to me that there is plenty of time to change representation before that... if that is what the majority of this pilot group decides to do. There's always going to be some level of division within any group. You're never going to get everyone to 100% agree on anything.

The way I see it is that, if DALPA will not make restoration their objective and absolutely draw the line at a minimum of SWA+ compensation (not pay rates... W-2's) and improvement in scope and iron-clad scope language, then I'd rather have my German Shepherd representing me. At least he looks tough, is very focused, and knows how to stand his ground. :D

Based on what you are saying and with the caveat that I'm neither a lawyer or a contract expert. I think you would get pay above the guarantee for the DH for tomorrow and be able to keep the PB even if you deviate.

However, call the scheduling guys tomorrow at DALPA and get a for real reading of this.

Good luck!

They all go to that class in Herndon to learn how to be reps and something happens up there.

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