Trip parking. But it won't end up at 91.7 hours. I haven't ever seen numbers, maybe Sailing has, but in my view from an eyeball test I'd say it'd be hard to get the average much above 840. Most guys I know who do a 90+ hour line can't keep up that pace month after month.

But I also thought Casey Anthony would be found guilty but I never realized the jury was never given the proper question to answer.

I think Hawaiian. Because then you have Hawaiian and still have free milk and a cow with AS.

Yes. I said Free Milk and A Cow.



You're welcome.

Ferd? Is that you?

I think you are right. DAL is already getting a lot of the benefits of a merger w/AS without the costs and headaches of merger. Hawaiian on the other hand could be absorbed much more cheaply.

Am I the only one who thinks in five years we will still be under the same contract or an extension of our current contract offering a 4 percent raise per year barely letting us keep up with inflation? I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like there is not an airline out there that has received a decent contract in a timely manner in the last decade or so. It's a different world these days where we are looked at as numbers instead of assets. Companies don't care if we're happy these days. They just care about outsourcing us and keeping our costs as low as possible.

I am not management. I will go on strike if need be and will vote no on just about any contract out there. I've sent my DPA card in. I am keeping my expectations low as I don't have a lot of faith in our union or my fellow pilots.

DALPA has just spent the last few years investing in "constructive engagement" in order to avoid that exact scenario. We supposedly have an excellent relationship with management. The whole idea is to have a contract done by the amendable date and without all the rancor and disruption.
If we aren't clearly on the way to having this thing done by the amendable date then Moak and O'Malley and their whole non-confrontational philosophy of "partnering" with management will have lost all credibility.
The DPA will waltz right in with an overwhelming vote.

They will indeed, but the ALPA apologists will be screaming: "But the next Section 6 is right around the corner...you can't bail on ALPA now! Change it from within!"

Carl

I should have posted the average pilot is credited 1100 for pay purposes. Much like SW pilots at Delta make extra pay in a variety of ways.

A pilot flies 80 hours credit a month basic flying lets say without really pushing to pick up extra. Flies the same in a vacation month as a majority seem to do. Now he is around 1060 for the year. Picks up 10 to 12 hours more for training. Gets a couple trips with 20 hours extra in reroute pay and he is past 1100 credit hours without a single GS. Add in two GS's a quarter paying say 30 pay only hours each and you now have a pilot well beyond 1300 credit hours for the year. Ask Carl what some of his peers on the 747 have flown so far this year. As of their 15 July check coming up some will be over a 1000 already for this tax year. Other fly a lot less. Some pilots fly a lot less but the 2010 average was actually over 1100 total pay hours. If your going to use what SW averages per year then you need to use what Delta pilots average per year.
If you going into negotiations with the company and you try and throw bull**** numbers out there your going to get your a.. handed to you. The same thing applies for dealing with arbitrators.
The company will know to the minute what the average Delta pilot is crediting. They will know to the dime our pilot costs are compared to SW on a per block hour basis. There wont be any dispute on all the numbers. Its all available to both sides.

We were discussing total pay between SWA and Delta. The average Delta pilot in 2010 did over 1100 hours pay. Its nice that you did 250. When manning was good I would bid reserve and fly 200 to 300 hours a year also. That is not however what I got paid.

I would bet that in the next 10 years there will be not 1 but 2 more mergers or partial mergers at Delta. Get ready for many more years of SLI arguments.

I think the point was that he's not getting anywhere close to that credit. I sure as heck won't be either.