Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1018916)

I should have posted the average pilot is credited 1100 for pay purposes. Much like SW pilots at Delta make extra pay in a variety of ways.

A pilot flies 80 hours credit a month basic flying lets say without really pushing to pick up extra. Flies the same in a vacation month as a majority seem to do. Now he is around 1060 for the year. Picks up 10 to 12 hours more for training. Gets a couple trips with 20 hours extra in reroute pay and he is past 1100 credit hours without a single GS. Add in two GS's a quarter paying say 30 pay only hours each and you now have a pilot well beyond 1300 credit hours for the year. Ask Carl what some of his peers on the 747 have flown so far this year. As of their 15 July check coming up some will be over a 1000 already for this tax year. Other fly a lot less. Some pilots fly a lot less but the 2010 average was actually over 1100 total pay hours. If your going to use what SW averages per year then you need to use what Delta pilots average per year.
If you going into negotiations with the company and you try and throw bull**** numbers out there your going to get your a.. handed to you. The same thing applies for dealing with arbitrators.
The company will know to the minute what the average Delta pilot is crediting. They will know to the dime our pilot costs are compared to SW on a per block hour basis. There wont be any dispute on all the numbers. Its all available to both sides.

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1018945)

FTB,

You are definitely worth that and more. I just want to point out your math isn't quite right because a $50k raise for you would have to equate to an approximately $100k raise for Carl in that big two story boeing. I am all for Carl getting that raise too. I am concerned that we will get proffered a deal that gives us SWA plus rates but we lose scope protections. I know that I would vote no, as most on this board, however, there are a lot of old, senior pilots here that I am afraid would silently vote yes in order to get as much money before retiring and thus pulling up the ladder.

I know that everyone says they are for scope, not going to give an inch, but when it comes down to it, I haven't run across any pilot that actually voted yes for our absolute POS bankruptcy contract at NWA. No-one. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1018951)

I agree, but maybe we could have a delta contract forum and separate it from this one?

Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1018947)

That reminds me... Come check out the band Throttleburst (in honor of the -88) on Saturday at Brewsters bar and grille in Marietta. Big hair 80s cover band. You won't be disappointed!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1018916)

I should have posted the average pilot is credited 1100 for pay purposes. Much like SW pilots at Delta make extra pay in a variety of ways.

A pilot flies 80 hours credit a month basic flying lets say without really pushing to pick up extra. Flies the same in a vacation month as a majority seem to do. Now he is around 1060 for the year. Picks up 10 to 12 hours more for training. Gets a couple trips with 20 hours extra in reroute pay and he is past 1100 credit hours without a single GS. Add in two GS's a quarter paying say 30 pay only hours each and you now have a pilot well beyond 1300 credit hours for the year. Ask Carl what some of his peers on the 747 have flown so far this year. As of their 15 July check coming up some will be over a 1000 already for this tax year. Other fly a lot less. Some pilots fly a lot less but the 2010 average was actually over 1100 total pay hours. If your going to use what SW averages per year then you need to use what Delta pilots average per year.
If you going into negotiations with the company and you try and throw bull**** numbers out there your going to get your a.. handed to you. The same thing applies for dealing with arbitrators.
The company will know to the minute what the average Delta pilot is crediting. They will know to the dime our pilot costs are compared to SW on a per block hour basis. There wont be any dispute on all the numbers. Its all available to both sides.

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1018959)

Sailing,

The DALPA communications chairman said that the comparison our union did between a Delta pilot and a SWA pilot used 900 hours for the Delta pilot and 1053 hours for the SWA pilot.

Why wouldn't our union use the accurate numbers?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1018957)

I will be offended it they play Jesse's Girl. :mad:

I hate that song.

;)

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1018694)

The average Delta pilot does not earn 75 hours a month. Especially back then before we lost many of the benies. Last number I saw was the average pilot ended up with around 1100 hours a year under the current contract.. I made 305,000 as a 73 Captain back then in 03 and did not work much extra. Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

We had 50 Captains break 500,000 in 03 however a big slug of them were MD11 guys in PDX.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1018961)

I have been flying the max on the MD88 in Atlanta, and use the swap board to increase my monthly average. Can I get 1053 hours worth of Southwest pay per year in our next contract? If not, why not? The Airtran guys can.